bickster Posted September 5, 2019 Moderator Share Posted September 5, 2019 Just now, Mic09 said: and said that maybe @tonyh29 is right. Never or always depending on your meaning 1 minute ago, Mic09 said: Out of interest, do you think that Corbyn will get a better chance at getting his election? Or is there a serious risk he overplayed his hand and he lost his chance? Under what circumstance can he get an election on his own terms? Look, he wants an election but he can't move for one until "no Deal is off the table," If |Labour agreed with the Tory bill yesterday he would have handed Johnson a huge advantage in being able to set the date and scupper taking No Deal out of the equation. Johnson could have set a date after Oct 31st and done nothing meaning we left with No Deal on 31st Oct, then had an election. Agreeing to that would have been insane. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 5, 2019 Moderator Share Posted September 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Mic09 said: I have mocked Corbyn because I think that he knows he will lose, and I think that is the reason (possibly one of many) that he asked the party to abstain from the vote. Seriously, have you read nothing in this topic today. Multiple people have told you exactly why he couldn't do that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Just now, bickster said: Never or always depending on your meaning Look, he wants an election but he can't move for one until "no Deal is off the table," If |Labour agreed with the Tory bill yesterday he would have handed Johnson a huge advantage in being able to set the date and scupper taking No Deal out of the equation. Johnson could have set a date after Oct 31st and done nothing meaning we left with No Deal on 31st Oct, then had an election. Agreeing to that would have been insane. Don't you think that Corbyn would have made a good play by taking the gamble that the no deal legislation will clear the Lords? Because it looks like it will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, Mic09 said: Don't you think that Corbyn would have made a good play by taking the gamble that the no deal legislation will clear the Lords? Because it looks like it will. Yes - I didn't even think that was a variable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 5, 2019 Moderator Share Posted September 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mic09 said: Don't you think that Corbyn would have made a good play by taking the gamble that the no deal legislation will clear the Lords? Because it looks like it will There was a distinct possibility that it wouldn't when the vote was held for starters but that would have been irrelevant if Labour had given Johnson the ability to shut down parliament and call an election AFTER Oct 31st at his choosing. It made absolutely no sense to agree to it at that time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, bickster said: There was a distinct possibility that it wouldn't when the vote was held for starters but that would have been irrelevant if Labour had given Johnson the ability to shut down parliament and call an election AFTER Oct 31st at his choosing. It made absolutely no sense to agree to it at that time Wouldn't have the legislation have passed even with the parliament shut down considering it has left the HOC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 5, 2019 Moderator Share Posted September 5, 2019 12 minutes ago, Mic09 said: Wouldn't have the legislation have passed even with the parliament shut down considering it has left the HOC? No, it has to come back to the HOC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post snowychap Posted September 5, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Mic09 said: But if Corbyn asks for a General Election and claims they can win only 2 days ago (!) I think he understands the timing rather well. Oh, ffs! I'll leave it to others to respond further as you seem to be either ignoring the actual points being made and the actual circumstances that have been taking place, failing to understand their relevance or wilfully parroting a Tory line that is being trotted out in a number of places including the Spectator. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 (edited) Edit: Actually, no, I'll stick by my post above. Edited September 5, 2019 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Sorry if posted already... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 5, 2019 Moderator Share Posted September 5, 2019 3 hours ago, snowychap said: wilfully parroting a Tory line that is being trotted out in a number of places including the Spectator and even by Johnson himself in his frankly awful speech at a Yorkshire Police Training establishment 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 5, 2019 Moderator Share Posted September 5, 2019 11 minutes ago, Genie said: Sorry if posted already... Not posted already but explained why it's stupid a number of times by various posters throughout the day. it's like no-one actually reads what is said any moire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted September 5, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted September 5, 2019 I went for a drink with an ex-workmate yesterday. He's Jewish, and a Labour Party member, so I asked him what he thought about the antisemitism stuff. He says it's all total bollocks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted September 5, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted September 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, mjmooney said: I went for a drink with an ex-workmate yesterday. He's Jewish, and a Labour Party member, so I asked him what he thought about the antisemitism stuff. He says it's all total bollocks. Has his head screwed on clearly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 18 minutes ago, mjmooney said: I went for a drink with an ex-workmate yesterday. He's Jewish, and a Labour Party member, so I asked him what he thought about the antisemitism stuff. He says it's all total bollocks. That's obvious grounds for expulsion. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, bickster said: Not posted already but explained why it's stupid a number of times by various posters throughout the day. it's like no-one actually reads what is said any moire Oh come on lighten up a bit.. it was posted by an impartial poster as a bit of light relief , I don’t think it needs quite that response I'm giving him a like just to piss you off Edited September 5, 2019 by tonyh29 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 5, 2019 Moderator Share Posted September 5, 2019 1 minute ago, tonyh29 said: Lighten up a bit it was posted by an impartial poster as a bit of light relief , I don’t think it needs quite that response I'm giving him a like just to piss you off You'd have to have been here at the time to see the rest of us banging our heads against the wall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 16 minutes ago, bickster said: You'd have to have been here at the time to see the rest of us banging our heads against the wall Blimey , how long exactly did I fall asleep for at that parents meeting earlier , I’ve missed everything 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 12 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: Blimey , how long exactly did I fall asleep for at that parents meeting earlier , I’ve missed everything Almost as long as Sam Curran did at mid on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, snowychap said: Almost as long as Sam Curran did at mid on. I even missed most of that today ,meetings rather than sleeping though in this case I looked around 2 pm and they were about 184-4 and then next thing they’ve posted nearly 500 !! Did we bowl underarm or something ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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