snowychap Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, bickster said: 8 minutes ago, Xann said: Josef Stalin, Goebbels or Mengele. Please be specific Fritzl? Edited September 2, 2019 by snowychap 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 34 minutes ago, bickster said: ... Mengele... Ooh - The Angel of Death! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted September 2, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted September 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Xann said: Ooh - The Angel of Death! In fairness, this is literally what every Tory sees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 On the double presumption that there is to be an election AND the rebel alliance arrange to not oppose each other, I’m in a seat that could change. 2017 result: Cons and Kippers = 26,400 Labour & Remain Parties = 26,900 Pirate Party = 127 WEP = 177 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 17 minutes ago, Chindie said: In fairness, this is literally what every Tory sees. Whilst their MPs loot the place and the Union dissolves, egged on by a tax swerving media, and all telling us Corbyn's unelectable. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PompeyVillan Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Corbyn's credibility is shot, he'll never convince those undecided moderate voters to go for him because he's got no charisma. The best thing he could do now is to unexpectedly step aside, and allow a new leader to contest the upcoming election. He's the boogeyman that the opposition use to scare voters, and it works. I'm not sure who the next leader should be, but someone palatable enough to the Corbyn acolytes and the middle ground voters that are being lost to the Lid Dems really could sweep up in an election. IE be the broad church that Labour claim to be. But I fear Corbyn is too stubborn to give up his leadership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Battle of the bogeys then. In the majority of seats, if you can’t stomach Corbyn, you’re getting Johnson, Fox, Patel, Rees Mogg, Francois et al. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 16 minutes ago, PompeyVillan said: But I fear Corbyn is too stubborn to give up his leadership. Why surrender the leadership when you can just lose elections but claim a moral victory for not getting battered as much as people suspect. 9 years of austerity, not to mention the B word, and he's still trading blows with them in polls, whipping Momentum in to a fervour about a Labour government being in power any day now, just wait. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 24 minutes ago, PompeyVillan said: The best thing he could do now is to unexpectedly step aside, and allow a new leader to contest the upcoming election. I can't think of anything the tories and their chums in the media would like more, or which would be more counterproductive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 It’s going to be a binary choice for most people. You’re either content with what Boris Johnson is about to give you, or you vote for the most likely non-tory winner in your constituency. If there’s an election, it could be that simple. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 1 hour ago, PompeyVillan said: Corbyn's credibility is shot, he'll never convince those undecided moderate voters to go for him because he's got no charisma. The best thing he could do now is to unexpectedly step aside, and allow a new leader to contest the upcoming election. He's the boogeyman that the opposition use to scare voters, and it works. I'm not sure who the next leader should be, but someone palatable enough to the Corbyn acolytes and the middle ground voters that are being lost to the Lid Dems really could sweep up in an election. IE be the broad church that Labour claim to be. But I fear Corbyn is too stubborn to give up his leadership. Even if that were a good idea - it isn't - there obviously isn't enough time for a leadership contest before a general election that everyone knows is coming in the next few weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 2, 2019 Moderator Share Posted September 2, 2019 5 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Even if that were a good idea - it isn't - there obviously isn't enough time for a leadership contest before a general election that everyone knows is coming in the next few weeks. Isn't that why Labour has a Deputy Leader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, bickster said: Isn't that why Labour has a Deputy Leader Good lord, imagine that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted September 2, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted September 2, 2019 There's very likely to be an election in the middle of October. Corbyn can't stand aside, regardless of how much a lot of the party would like to stab him in the back. There isn't time to replace him and the optics of the party ripping itself apart right before an election is disastrous. There'll be a sustained and nasty campaign to rid the party of him when the election is a failure again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 If Corbyn lost a second election in a row (which I’d say seems likely at this stage) he would have to stand down and let someone else have a go. It would be a pretty disastrous election to lose at the current crossroads the country finds itself in and there would need to be a reckoning for the loser. Even more so than if an opposition leader lost two in a row in ‘normal’ times. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 9 hours ago, Chindie said: There's very likely to be an election in the middle of October. Corbyn can't stand aside, regardless of how much a lot of the party would like to stab him in the back. There isn't time to replace him and the optics of the party ripping itself apart right before an election is disastrous. There'll be a sustained and nasty campaign to rid the party of him when the election is a failure again. ... and rightly so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 In a few years, when you're stood by a hospital bed, reading an email from an insurance company to the effect that they won't be paying for life saving treatment for one of your loved ones. Take some solace from the stand you took against the sluggish complaints system for Jewish complaints in the Labour Party. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 3, 2019 Moderator Share Posted September 3, 2019 Just now, Xann said: In a few years, when you're stood by a hospital bed, reading an email from an insurance company to the effect that they won't be paying for life saving treatment for one of your loved ones. Take some solace from the stand you took against the sluggish complaints system for Jewish complaints in the Labour Party. No, I'll blame the Labour Party leader for being Pro=Brexit for a good few years before he changed his mind slower than the Ark Royal can do a 360 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Just now, bickster said: No, I'll blame the Labour Party leader for being Pro=Brexit for a good few years before he changed his mind slower than the Ark Royal can do a 360 Go on then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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