Wainy316 Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 47 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: I'd be highly surprised that anyone seeing a policy of prison sentences comparable to stabbing someone for people who fly in planes , won't have a slight inkling that they are reading a Green policy Yeah well no ones perfect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 Latest ComRes poll shows Labour ahead of the pack. Tales of their imminent demise a tad premature then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 5, 2019 Moderator Share Posted August 5, 2019 Wavertree CLP in predictably stupid idea that was always going to be abused from the off. Posted for shits and giggles more than any serious point. Yes there are many suggestions of Luciana and variations on Tony Blair. Accounts getting blocked right and centre (see replies - some deservedly so btw). It was never going to end well I was going to go for Lee Credible but then I couldn't be arsed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 16 hours ago, bickster said: Wavertree CLP in predictably stupid idea that was always going to be abused from the off. Posted for shits and giggles more than any serious point. Yes there are many suggestions of Luciana and variations on Tony Blair. Accounts getting blocked right and centre (see replies - some deservedly so btw). It was never going to end well I was going to go for Lee Credible but then I couldn't be arsed Well they are socialists, no room for dissent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 9, 2019 Moderator Share Posted August 9, 2019 Results like this must be getting quite worrying for Labour Can't even win a straight two horse race against this Tory Party and appear to be leaking votes to the LibDems at an alarming rate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Corbyn driving the party into the ground, but oh, look at all the 'members' they have. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 10, 2019 Moderator Share Posted August 10, 2019 Look at this insanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted August 10, 2019 Moderator Share Posted August 10, 2019 16 hours ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Corbyn driving the party into the ground, but oh, look at all the 'members' they have. They’re losing members at a heck of a rate, too. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 On 10/08/2019 at 09:55, bickster said: Look at this insanity Oh come on Bicks - don't do this pearl-clutching, skirt-lifting bollocks. All hail the great leader! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 20, 2019 Moderator Share Posted August 20, 2019 Another day, another... WTF moment. Labour Regional Board Member and former candidate is a Holocaust Denier. Not just a member of the party an elected part of the hierarchy and a former council election candidate. Clearly no vetting done whatsoever and it will not shock you to discover, she's a Momentum type Quote Labour regional board members suspended by party after sharing post claiming Holocaust 'biggest lie' in history Former chair of local party facing investigation after reposting article claiming concentration camp inmates had been 'well-cared for' Indie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 21, 2019 Moderator Share Posted August 21, 2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 On 20/08/2019 at 11:31, bickster said: Another day, another... WTF moment. Labour Regional Board Member and former candidate is a Holocaust Denier. Not just a member of the party an elected part of the hierarchy and a former council election candidate. Clearly no vetting done whatsoever and it will not shock you to discover, she's a Momentum type Indie But wait.. there's no more of this going on in Labour than anywhere else in society, let the fruit cake, conspiracy theory loonbags be and focus on how crap the other parties are instead, said most JC supporters in a collective angry twitter post. I wonder when the HRC will publish their findings. I suspect Labour aren't even sure themselves what's coming, and it's not like they can get put further into disrepute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, magnkarl said: But wait.. there's no more of this going on in Labour than anywhere else in society That seems like a question that can be answered empirically, rather than by insinuation or sarcasm. Edited August 23, 2019 by HanoiVillan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted August 23, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted August 23, 2019 13 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: That seems like a question that can be answered empirically, rather than by insinuation or sarcasm. It's almost like, maybe, it has. And it found Labour to be less anti-semitic than other parties. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 23, 2019 Moderator Share Posted August 23, 2019 "We're racist but not as racist you" "We're less racist than yououoo!" I can see the chant catching on at Corbyn rallies all over the country Its a winner, every time 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted August 23, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted August 23, 2019 When the insinuation is you are somehow uniquely, inherently anti-Semitic, I'm not sure you can criticise the accused pointing out the facts that counter the accusation. If the requirement to rebuff accusations of racism is being absolutely clear of racism, then no organisation of any size will ever be able to counter any claim against them. That's an unusually daft comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 23, 2019 Moderator Share Posted August 23, 2019 We're actually taking full on holocaust deniers as party officials this week, not the odd misguided comment. This isn't some casual racism that just needs some educating. This is a party that appears to do zero vetting of any candidates and unshockingly when that happens you end up in a situation like this and these aren't isolated incidents, these are people the party knows about and does nothing until someone points it out It's an embarrassingly gross failure that means the Labour Party as an institution is culpable. And that there is the definition of Institutionally racist 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colhint Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Chindie said: When the insinuation is you are somehow uniquely, inherently anti-Semitic, I'm not sure you can criticise the accused pointing out the facts that counter the accusation. If the requirement to rebuff accusations of racism is being absolutely clear of racism, then no organisation of any size will ever be able to counter any claim against them. That's an unusually daft comment. The Tu Quoque fallacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted August 23, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted August 23, 2019 36 minutes ago, colhint said: The Tu Quoque fallacy Not quite. That fallacy seeks to discredit the questioner by pointing at their own transgressions, i.e. an appeal to hypocrisy. When accused of being uniquely or extremely of a position, it's not a fallacy to point out that that isn't actually the case, that the research shows the opposite is true. There's not pointing out of hypocrisy, or an attempt to combat criticism with criticism. Simply a retort to an exaggerated claim. There's a difference, when someone is accused of anti-Semitism, of pointing at the facts and saying 'No you! The defence rests!' and pointing at the facts and saying 'perhaps this accusation is being rather exaggerated'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colhint Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 That's not really the case. The Tu Quoque points out the counter argument is illogical. If I were to say to my son it's bad to smoke and he replied that I used to. The salient point is it's wrong to smoke. If someone suggests there is a problem with antisemitism it is incorerct to say others have a problem. The logical answer is yes there is a problem or no there isn't. The philosopher Westphal suggests only the guilty can find comfort in others being just as bad or worse. Unless there is no antisemitism in the Labour party Tu quoque applies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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