The Chairman Mao resembling, Monarchy hating, threat to Britain, Labour Party thread

[magnkarl]

It's a sorry situation when the opposition party can't ever talk about politics because their leader is who he is. In the last election I could see Corbyn pulling more voters in than he scared away but with this constant negative vibe around racism in his party, videos of him attending quite extreme conferences and making jokes about Jews needing to "learn English irony" it's starting to become idiotic. You can say a lot of things about the Blairite faction within labour but at the moment they are the only ones who are actually doing anything good in our political spectrum.

If Trump had suggested the crackdown on media/social media that Corbyn suggested the other day there'd be uproar, I thought the conservatives had the darkest plans for surveillance and media control - but I was clearly wrong.

[Chindie]

There's been another Corbyn anti-Semitism story hasn't there? I dunno why, I just get the feeling.

[StefanAVFC]

Just now, Chindie said:

There's been another Corbyn anti-Semitism story hasn't there? I dunno why, I just get the feeling.

The media had to do something to balance out the Raab shitshow yesterday.

[magnkarl]

It certainly shows why he didn't want to adopt the definitions of antisemitism anyway. He's just been caught red handed accusing Jews of being less British. This was Blandy's point all along, he didn't want to adopt the examples as he's sadly infringed on them himself several times.

The fact that Raab is a !#"¤!¤ with no spine doesn't make Corbyn's constant shitshow any better.

[blandy]

23 minutes ago, Chindie said:

There's been another Corbyn anti-Semitism story hasn't there? I dunno why, I just get the feeling.

Is perhaps becaused he's spent the last 30 years mingling with anti-semites and has found no way, nor has any intention of explaining this longstanding unfortunate habit?

[magnkarl]

4 hours ago, blandy said:

Is perhaps becaused he's spent the last 30 years mingling with anti-semites and has found no way, nor has any intention of explaining this longstanding unfortunate habit?

Under a guardian video on youtube about one of his unfortunate speeches someone's been so kind as to summarise JC's glorious political moves for IRA/Hamas/Hezbollah etc. Some of it is clearly over the top but it shows a pretty sad streak of events where Corbyn is too blinkered to realise what he's doing. I'm sure his supporters call it "making peace" but to everyone else it's someone who's taking sides in conflicts he clearly has no intention of understanding.

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100 times corbyn sided with terrorists

• Invited two IRA members to parliament two weeks after the Brighton bombing.
• Attended Bloody Sunday commemoration with bomber Brendan McKenna.
• Attended meeting with Provisional IRA member Raymond McCartney.
• Hosted IRA linked Mitchell McLaughlin in parliament.
• Spoke alongside IRA terrorist Martina Anderson.
• Attended Sinn Fein dinner with IRA bomber Gerry Kelly.
• Chaired Irish republican event with IRA bomber Brendan MacFarlane.
• Attended Bobby Sands commemoration honouring IRA terrorists.
• Stood in minute’s silence for IRA gunmen shot dead by the SAS.
• Refused to condemn the IRA in Sky News interview.
• Refused to condemn the IRA on Question Time.
• Refused to condemn IRA violence in BBC radio interview.
• Signed EDM after IRA Poppy massacre blaming Britain for the deaths.
• Arrested while protesting in support of Brighton bomber’s co-defendants.
• Lobbied government to improve visiting conditions for IRA killers.
• Attended Irish republican event calling for armed conflict against Britain.
• Hired suspected IRA man Ronan Bennett as a parliamentary assistant.
• Hired another aide closely linked to several convicted IRA terrorists.
• Heavily involved with IRA sympathising newspaper London Labour Briefing.
• Put up £20,000 bail money for IRA terror suspect Roisin McAliskey.
• Didn’t support IRA ceasefire. Said Hamas and Hezbollah are his “friends“.
• Called for Hamas to be removed from terror banned list.
• Called Hamas “serious and hard-working“.
• Attended wreath-laying at grave of Munich massacre terrorist.
• Attended conference with Hamas and PFLP.
• Photographed smiling with Hezbollah flag.
• Attended rally with Hezbollah and Al-Muhajiroun.
• Repeatedly shared platforms with PFLP plane hijacker.
• Hired aide who praised Hamas’ “spirit of resistance“.
• Accepted £20,000 for state TV channel of terror-sponsoring Iranian regime.
• Opposed banning Britons from travelling to Syria to fight for ISIS.
• Defended rights of fighters returning from Syria.
• Said ISIS supporters should not be prosecuted.
• Compared fighters returning from Syria to Nelson Mandela.
• Said the death of Osama Bin Laden was a “tragedy“.
• Wouldn’t sanction drone strike to kill ISIS leader.
• Voted to allow ISIS fighters to return from Syria.
• Opposed shoot to kill.
• Attended event organised by terrorist sympathising IHRC.
• Signed letter defending Lockerbie bombing suspects.
• Wrote letter in support of conman accused of fundraising for ISIS.
• Spoke of “friendship” with Mo Kozbar, who called for destruction of Israel.
• Attended event with Abdullah Djaballah, who called for holy war against UK.
• Called drone strikes against terrorists “obscene”.
• Boasted about “opposing anti-terror legislation”.
• Said laws banning jihadis from returning to Britain are “strange”.
• Accepted £5,000 donation from terror supporter Ted Honderich.
• Accepted £2,800 trip to Gaza from banned Islamist organisation Interpal.
• Called Ibrahim Hewitt, extremist and chair of Interpal, a “very good friend”.
• Accepted two more trips from the pro-Hamas group PRC.
• Speaker at conference hosted by pro-Hamas group MEMO.
• Met Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh several times.
• Hosted meeting with Mousa Abu Maria of banned group Islamic Jihad.
• Patron of Palestine Solidarity Campaign – marches attended by Hezbollah.
• Compared Israel to ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah and al-Qaeda.
• Said we should not make “value judgements” about Britons who fight for ISIS.
• Received endorsement from Hamas.
• Attended event with Islamic extremist Suliman Gani.
• Chaired Stop the War, who praised “internationalism and solidarity” of ISIS.
• Praised Raed Salah, who was jailed for inciting violence in Israel.
• Signed letter defending jihadist advocacy group Cage.
• Met Dyab Jahjah, who praised the killing of British soldiers.
• Shared platform with representative of extremist cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.
• Compared ISIS to US military in interview on Russia Today.
• Opposed proscription of Hizb ut-Tahrir.
• Attended conference which called on Iraqis to kill British soldiers.
• Attended Al-Quds Day demonstration in support of destruction of Israel.
• Supported Hamas and ISIS-linked Viva Palestina group.
• Attended protest with Islamic extremist Moazzam Begg.
• Made the “case for Iran” at event hosted by Khomeinist group.
• Photographed smiling with Azzam Tamimi, who backed suicide bombings.
• Photographed with Abdel Atwan, who sympathised with attacks on US troops.
• Said Hamas should “have tea with the Queen”.
• Attended ‘Meet the Resistance’ event with Hezbollah MP Hussein El Haj.
• Attended event with Haifa Zangana, who praised Palestinian “mujahideen”.
• Defended the infamous anti-Semitic Hamas supporter Stephen Sizer.
• Attended event with pro-Hamas and Hezbollah group Naturei Karta.
• Backed Holocaust denying anti-Zionist extremist Paul Eisen.
• Photographed with Abdul Raoof Al Shayeb, later jailed for terror offences.
• Mocked “anti-terror hysteria” while opposing powers for security services.
• Named on speakers list for conference with Hamas sympathiser Ismail Patel.
• Criticised drone strike that killed Jihadi John.
• Said the 7/7 bombers had been denied “hope and opportunity”.
• Said 9/11 was “manipulated” to make it look like bin Laden was responsible.
• Failed to unequivocally condemn the 9/11 attacks.
• Called Columbian terror group M-19 “comrades”.
• Blamed beheading of Alan Henning on Britain.
• Gave speech in support of Gaddafi regime.
• Signed EDM spinning for Slobodan Milosevic.
• Blamed Tunisia terror attack on “austerity”.
• Voted against banning support for the IRA.
• Voted against the Prevention of Terrorism Act three times during the Troubles.
• Voted against emergency counter-terror laws after 9/11.
• Voted against stricter punishments for being a member of a terror group.
• Voted against criminalising the encouragement of terrorism.
• Voted against banning al-Qaeda.
• Voted against outlawing the glorification of terror.
• Voted against control orders.
• Voted against increased funding for the security services to combat terrorism.

 

[bickster]

As much as I don't like him, even I'd prefer something a little more fact-checked than a Youtube comment.

There's a whole heap of shit in there, just at first glance

6 minutes ago, magnkarl said:

Voted against emergency counter-terror laws after 9/11.

That springs out immediately as something good

[bickster]

17 minutes ago, magnkarl said:

Mocked “anti-terror hysteria” while opposing powers for security services.

I'm not even sure words are even necessary

[bickster]

19 minutes ago, magnkarl said:

Said the 7/7 bombers had been denied “hope and opportunity”.

less words again

[snowychap]

11 minutes ago, bickster said:

There's a whole heap of shit in there

Absolutely.

It isn't the result of work by an anonymous youtube commenter, though, it's from Staines (and his minions):

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[bickster]

Actually, if you went to the original article on Guido Fawkes you'd have a link to every story. Still full of crap though

EDIT: Snowy beat me by literally a fraction of a millisecond

[blandy]

Just now, snowychap said:

Absolutely.

It isn't the result of work by an anonymous youtube commenter, though, it's from Staines (and his minions):

It's sad. I mean, like with many things where there are valid grounds for criticism or concern, by quite clearly, and partisanly dragging up al kinds of non-stuff it actually weakens the genuine case, while also causing supporters to think, perhaps that all criticism is made up tosh. It's just transparently stupid.

I don't like the bloke at all, and think he's a wrong 'un, but you can't defend some of the ludicrous accusations made against him. Stick to the genuinely concerning stuff, there's no shortage of it.

[snowychap]

5 minutes ago, bickster said:

Actually, if you went to the original article on Guido Fawkes you'd have a link to every story. Still full of crap though

EDIT: Snowy beat me by literally a fraction of a millisecond

Some of the links are defunct (the voted against as far as I can see), too.

[peterms]

 

[peterms]

Fortunately, the number of people who recognise this, and will stand against it, is growing by the day.

Boycott, Divest, Sanction.  BDS.  Because apartheid is never a good thing.

[chrisp65]

"it's a cult"

"it's like Jeremy Corbyn has declared war on the jews"

"he cavorts with terrorists"

"a threat to world security and major implications, not just for jews"

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Marie van der Zyl has told an Israeli TV channel that a Corbyn government could represent a 'threat to world security'

 

Board of Deputies President being calm, balanced and reasonable here.

 

[blandy]

10 hours ago, peterms said:

Fortunately, the number of people who recognise this, and will stand against it, is growing by the day.

Boycott, Divest, Sanction.  BDS.  Because apartheid is never a good thing.

That tweet is an example of the consequences of lumping in made up or spurious allegations in with genuinely worrying behaviours. So now “the number of people who recognise” all criticism of him as being due to his support for Palestinians “ is growing”. Mixing false stuff with true stuff has diluted the true stuff to zero concern in a growing number of people’s minds.

So much so that Corbyn’s fan club are going to stand against all criticism even more staunchly, thus forming an impenetrable shield, protecting their idol, like some deepest red queen bee from all voices other than those of anti-Eu, Irish unification, Hamas supporting, Hezbollah solidarity, Russian propagandists called Seamus, John or Diane. In this way the sweet honey of 1970s socialist nirvana will be protected and available only to the chosen riteous tribe of Corbynite worker drones.

Meanwhile the country crumbles....

But BDS, yeah definitely. I agree there.

 

[peterms]

29 minutes ago, blandy said:

That tweet is an example of the consequences of lumping in made up or spurious allegations in with genuinely worrying behaviours. So now “the number of people who recognise” all criticism of him as being due to his support for Palestinians “ is growing”. Mixing false stuff with true stuff has diluted the true stuff to zero concern in a growing number of people’s minds.

There should be room for a sensible discussion about the difference between antisemitism and antizionism, and the difference between criticism of the actions of Israel and being antisemitic - a Jewish group within Labour has tried to have exactly that discussion.  The space for that discussion is being deliberately eroded, especially by those who would see all criticism of Israel placed out of bounds.

It is also clear that Israel has a campaign of deliberately undermining and seeking to remove critics (an official from the embassy was caught on film suggesting action against Alan Duncan, a tory sympathetic to Palestine), and that many purporting to speak for the Jewish community will accept no compromise, and cynical opportunists like Streeting, Umunna and the rest stoke it up.

In those circumstances, yes, it becomes very hard to find space for legitimate criticisms, when there is so plainly an agenda to attack Corbyn, and this issue is used as cover, rather than being the core concern.  It's so utterly dishonest that it invites dismissal.

[blandy]

4 minutes ago, peterms said:

There should be room for a sensible discussion about the difference between antisemitism and antizionism, and the difference between criticism of the actions of Israel and being antisemitic...

For some reason this paragraph puts me in mind of Brian Clough. “We talk about it for 20 minutes then we decide I was right”

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It is also clear that Israel has a campaign of deliberately undermining and seeking to remove critics (an official from the embassy was caught on film suggesting action against Alan Duncan, a tory sympathetic to Palestine), and that many purporting to speak for the Jewish community will accept no compromise, and cynical opportunists like Streeting, Umunna and the rest stoke it up.

In those circumstances, yes, it becomes very hard to find space for legitimate criticisms, when there is so plainly an agenda to attack Corbyn, and this issue is used as cover, rather than being the core concern.  It's so utterly dishonest that it invites dismissal.

I agree with much of that. Israel’s government and its supporters have over decades acted and lobbied etc. to smother criticism and critics of some of their horriblist acts and deeds and that has spread to encompass almost any criticism, valid or not. That’s an unhealthy situation to get into, isn’t it? Where basically all criticism is batted away as motivated by people or groups opposed to your right to even be where you are. I hope that sort of thing doesn’t take hold in our politics.

speaking of our politics and your last sentence, I totally disagree with that part. Dismissing criticism because of who is making it, or even their motives is a mistake. Tories, Labour, SNP etc all have their internal factions, feuds and rivalries  They all have their cynical attack dogs and all the rest. No part of any of them are pure and on a higher plain, morally, to the extent that critics can be dismissed and waived away because it came from a cynical, low moral rival.  That always, always leads to corruption, entitlement, cronyism and atrophy and ultimately overthrow. 

 

[peterms]

5 minutes ago, blandy said:

Dismissing criticism because of who is making it, or even their motives is a mistake.

Dismissing criticism out of hand is a mistake.  However, when repeated overtures and efforts to find common ground are perpetually rebuffed, it starts to look as though dialogue is pointless, because nothing less than capitulation is demanded.  That is the impression currently given by the Board of Deputies, for example.  So if they want to continue to insist that the Labour code on antisemitism must include examples which prohibit criticism of Israel, the only sensible response is to say no.  And on the back of that, when the constant drip feed of carefully researched and catalogued overblown grievances resumes, then for me it reaches the point where it is impossible to accept that what is asked for is a genuine dialogue about genuine issues.

 

11 minutes ago, blandy said:

For some reason this paragraph puts me in mind of Brian Clough. “We talk about it for 20 minutes then we decide I was right”

Cheeky boy.