Awol Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Public risk, private profits Awol. Serving the private sector nicely. No it was serving the banks nicely, the private sector more broadly got hammered. It was corporate socialism, not free market capitalism (IMHO). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted August 5, 2015 Moderator Share Posted August 5, 2015 What we have at the moment is an oligarchy - funding politics through lobbying and forming policy through economic privilege. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted August 5, 2015 Moderator Share Posted August 5, 2015 This has to be one of the weakest labour contests I have seen in a while. Does not stem well for the future as an alternative to conservative the only possible saving grace for Labour is that Cameron will be standing down before the next GE (unless he does a Blair and breaks promises) and that the conservative party will likely end up with either May or Osborne ...neither of whom will be that popular with the public at large I suspect though that whoever Unite decide will win the labour contest will struggle to hold the party together and Labours future looks much bleaker than the conservatives If they vote May as leader I think labour will win a bigger landslide than conservatives did in the recent election She is vile I think that says everything about why it would be good for politics if Corbyn won. You're right, I think May would struggle because she is vile - she'd probably still win because of the way our press is structured, but it would be a struggle because she is, as you say, an awful human being and quite clearly so. The biggest problem with Politics in this country is that whether or not your candidate looks to be an awful human being has been about the only difference between the parties since the grinning war criminal killed the traditional Labour party. When the difference between parties is so slight, the foibles of personality can be very easily manipulated by the press, the media and those companies that own and work alongside them in order to be the major influence on the result. I think Corbyn's popularity is to a large extent a reaction to the change whereby those people that control our society for their own good can't even be arsed to lie to us properly about it any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Corbyn talks a lot of sense but he doesn't appeal to self-interest so he'll never win an election in the UK. Corbyn with two years in opposition to allow Labour to cough up a decent candidate who can at least do a good impression of a principled human being while appealing to those Tories in marginals is what I see. What a farce the democratic process has become. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 No it was serving the banks nicely, the private sector more broadly got hammered. It was corporate socialism, not free market capitalism (IMHO). It's serving the railways, the frackers, the GM/Agri crew, the arms industry, others... I can't read 'Private Eye' any more, it makes my blood boil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 I'm really interested in Corbyn. He speaks for me. I think he might surprise people with his no bullshit response and win the next election, IF he can hold his party together. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 I think Corbyn's popularity is to a large extent a reaction to the change whereby those people that control our society for their own good can't even be arsed to lie to us properly about it any more. That's probably spot on. I think it's time for some honest political messaging: "We'll steal your money and take your freedom. If you die we'll rape your children. We own you all. Give up." Do away with the false distinctions between political parties and tattoo that on the forehead of every newborn. Sorted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 5, 2015 Moderator Share Posted August 5, 2015 Talk about underestimating the man and totally misreading the public. Andy Burnham is now going to nationalise the railways too. Gobshite, typical politician sways with the wind In the media you'd think that renationalising the railways and utilities was hugely unpopular, except it isn't. The are huge numbers of Tories also in favour of it. The approval ratings for those denationalisations amongst the population as a whole is in the high 60% i.e. two thirds of the British population at least support those policies. Corbyn is portrayed as some mad bad and dangerous nut job, yet most of the country agree with him. Goddam populist 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Andy Burnham Who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 come on Xann, you know Andy Burnham he was in Captain Scarlett for long enough 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 You're not fooling me - That's Roy Keane. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 bizarrely, I just typed in 'bearded action man' to get a picture to pass off as Roy Keane.....and a picture of Roy Keane popped up! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 (edited) bizarrely, I just typed in 'bearded action man' to get a picture to pass off as Roy Keane.....and a picture of Roy Keane popped up! I'm guessing you had 'safe search' on as otherwise you may have got more than you'd bargained for. Edited August 5, 2015 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 yeah, I've learnt my lesson there, I won't go into the detail, but having once been in the office and searched 'two fat men' I tend to be a bit more careful these days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted August 5, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted August 5, 2015 I would imagine Burnham would renationalise the railways immediately after he discovers the secrets of how to make humans fly and shortly after he gives all Labour supporters time machines. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 I would imagine Burnham would renationalise the railways immediately after he discovers the secrets of how to make humans fly and shortly after he gives all Labour supporters time machines. yeah, that definitely has the strong whiff of an election promise about it but, it does show what having a popular socialist in the mix can do, it can potentially bring 'the centre ground' back from being just further and further to the right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted August 5, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted August 5, 2015 It might bring lies back from the right but little else. Corbyn won't win and if by some miracle he does he won't contest an election. In the mean time Burnham will whisper some left wing sweet nothings to cover his arse and the same game plays out again. Nothing will change. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Talk about underestimating the man and totally misreading the public. Andy Burnham is now going to nationalise the railways too. Gobshite, typical politician sways with the wind In the media you'd think that renationalising the railways and utilities was hugely unpopular, except it isn't. The are huge numbers of Tories also in favour of it. The approval ratings for those denationalisations amongst the population as a whole is in the high 60% i.e. two thirds of the British population at least support those policies. Corbyn is portrayed as some mad bad and dangerous nut job, yet most of the country agree with him. Goddam populist 52% of Tory voters polled by yougov 72% of UKIP voters in the same poll though the 72% of ukip voters are probably just labour voters swayed by ukips racist policies anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Imagine Jez Corbyn as PM and Bernie Sanders as PotUS. The anti Thatcher/Reagan. It won't happen but I'd like to think their popularity is a sign of something promising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Boris Johnson and Donald Trump is more likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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