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It’s all good guys. Once JC is elected we can all go to Glastonbury and join in the cultist praise of the one true leader, the freshest of breaths to our politics, the non-racist, keeper of promises, he who conquered the allotment, the all powerful bearded being who is known simply as Jeremy the saint. All who oppose shall be cast into a pit of micro-aggressions with McDonnell shouting profanities at them.

 

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7 minutes ago, magnkarl said:

It’s all good guys. Once JC is elected we can all go to Glastonbury and join in the cultist praise of the one true leader, the freshest of breaths to our politics, the non-racist, keeper of promises, he who conquered the allotment, the all powerful bearded being who is known simply as Jeremy the saint. All who oppose shall be cast into a pit of micro-aggressions with McDonnell shouting profanities at them.

 

Sounds like every religion.

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1 hour ago, magnkarl said:

It’s all good guys. Once JC is elected we can all go to Glastonbury and join in the cultist praise of the one true leader, the freshest of breaths to our politics, the non-racist, keeper of promises, he who conquered the allotment, the all powerful bearded being who is known simply as Jeremy the saint. All who oppose shall be cast into a pit of micro-aggressions with McDonnell shouting profanities at them.

 

Falling off my chair.

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Diane Abbot appears to have  unveiled a new labour policy to speed up police response times so you only have to dial 99 if they are elected 

 

nice editting by the BBC so they managed to end Corbyns sentence of ive always been agaisnt racism with him forming  a smirk on his face like Palpatine 

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That's two separate posters now in the last 24 hours throwing jabs about 'microaggressions'. A Google search for "Labour conference" "microaggressions" (and derivatives "micro aggressions" and "micro-aggressions") suggests that if it fitted the rules better it would be a Googlewhack. Witty jab though guys. 

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7 hours ago, chrisp65 said:

Involve the workers in the prosperity of the business. Make sure the new international mega corps pay taxes. Invest in infrastructure. Stop people making profit out of schools or earning £450,000 p.a. by being head teacher of 5 'academies' at the same time. Build houses. Make rented accommodation fit for human habitation.

 

Crazy hard left marxist revolutionary stuff no sane person could possibly vote for.

All good ideas, however once JC-TM's Brexit is complete all those things are a pipe-dream. We're not going to have any "international mega corps" in the UK as they have no access to workers here. Invest in infrastructure? Most of the investment in infrastructure outside of London in this country is topped off by EU funds.

Schools you could probably do well without EU, however the EU already has strict policy on rented accommodation. I don't see how us leaving the EU is going to make these laws any stricter. From what I've seen of Labour this week no one in the party knows what the hell is going on. That is the work of JC and his gaggle removing most of the people who helped formed sensible, doable policy within the Labour party over the last 3 years. 

Let's keep believing in a man who's delivered nothing in opposition, not pressured the weakest government in the UK since god-knows-when, and is struggling in the polls though. He's nothing but a conflicted old man who really just wanted to keep voting against his own party till he could cash in his overblown state pension.

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27 minutes ago, magnkarl said:

All good ideas, however once JC-TM's Brexit is complete all those things are a pipe-dream. We're not going to have any "international mega corps" in the UK as they have no access to workers here. Invest in infrastructure? Most of the investment in infrastructure outside of London in this country is topped off by EU funds.

Schools you could probably do well without EU, however the EU already has strict policy on rented accommodation. I don't see how us leaving the EU is going to make these laws any stricter. From what I've seen of Labour this week no one in the party knows what the hell is going on. That is the work of JC and his gaggle removing most of the people who helped formed sensible, doable policy within the Labour party over the last 3 years. 

Let's keep believing in a man who's delivered nothing in opposition, not pressured the weakest government in the UK since god-knows-when, and is struggling in the polls though. He's nothing but a conflicted old man who really just wanted to keep voting against his own party till he could cash in his overblown state pension.

If the rental accommodation chris refers to is not fit for habitation and yet the EU rules and their strictness are as good as you can imagine, are you really sure your point makes the one you think you're making?

If those strict rules allowed for Grenfell to happen they are simply not fit for purpose. Wherever they were drawn up. And whatever body gets to uphold them.

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9 minutes ago, VILLAMARV said:

If the rental accommodation chris refers to is not fit for habitation and yet the EU rules and their strictness are as good as you can imagine, are you really sure your point makes the one you think you're making?

If those strict rules allowed for Grenfell to happen they are simply not fit for purpose. Wherever they were drawn up. And whatever body gets to uphold them.

The first word of that is the key. If . And the last sentence, too.

I'm sure the rules could be tighter, and I'm certain they could be better enforced. I also seem to recall that Grenfell was said to be non-compliant in several ways with the rules on cladding etc.

As a general point it's often the case that it's not so much new laws or rules needed as exisiting rules not being adhered with and not be enforeced and non-complaince not being adequately punished.

To get back on topic, a significant part of the reasons for that is that the tories back in 2010 and ever since hacked away at the various enforcement bodies and their budgets, making it essentially a free hit for businesses and people to ignore safety and pollution and health related laws and standards. It was said to be due to "austerity" but was nothing more than an ideologically driven assault around the notion that the state shouldn't tell businesses what to do, or not to do and that removing this burden would be "good".

It needn't take a socialist government to reverse this idiocy, any competent government of whatever creed governing in the interests of the country should and should and would address this. It's a gaping hole in the way the country operates.

On Chris's comment about lovely things - yep absolutely. I mean who wouldn't want all of those things to be the case. The easy part is for anyone to say "shares for workers,  mega corps taxed properly, invest in infrastructure, stop excess exec wages build homes make rentals safe..." and so on. Having a proper idea of how to actually make that happen is another step altogether. Because if you can't answer questions as to the consequences of the detail, then it's all just hot air and marketing - momentary headline grabbing and virtue signalling with no actual clue as to how to make it happen. And this is where, by and large, Corbyn and Co. (and May) fall down. It's what lead to Brexit, it's what has led to more and more people having no faith in politicians, yet still being duped by them.

"We can leave the EU and have exactly the same benefits"

"lovely, but how do you make that happen, when X, Y and Z?"

"errr....."

"We need a jobs based Brexit"

"But jobs will be lost as Companies relocate to the EU, pull out of the UK and stop investing in their UK factories and offices"

"err...."

"Workers need to be given 10% of the shares of businesses of over 250 people"

"Does that apply to non-listed businesses, and if so, how could that work? and what's to stop listed businesses de-listing, or changing their listing to another market, or replacing employees with sub-contractors, or reducing to below 250 employees, or fragmenting into smaller named parts each of fewer than 250 employees...or moving abroad..or..."

"errr...."

 

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9 hours ago, chrisp65 said:

Involve the workers in the prosperity of the business. Make sure the new international mega corps pay taxes. Invest in infrastructure. Stop people making profit out of schools or earning £450,000 p.a. by being head teacher of 5 'academies' at the same time. Build houses. Make rented accommodation fit for human habitation.

 

Crazy hard left marxist revolutionary stuff no sane person could possibly vote for.

Had this crazy dream last night  .... I was walking down ayellow brick road meet this scarecrow called Diane who only wanted a brain , then I , came across an evil witch who was only trying to kill me in order to bring about peace before I finally met this nice Wizard who promised me and my friends all sorts of things he couldn't fulfil  ,  before my dog pulled back this curtain to reveal the wizard was a bloke in corduroys with soup spilt down his shirt   ...

then I woke up to find it was all an aspiration and not an actual dream

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On 24/09/2018 at 22:48, Dr_Pangloss said:

They're just words removed to be honest, a group of **** utter morons, full of economic illiterates and the lunatic fringe of the left who want to cry about microaggressions and cultural appropriation over real issues. They simply are 'undetectable' at this stage, every bit as bad, if not worse, than the Tories.

This is the thing isn't it? 

The Tories are an absolute SHAM of a party.  They all hate each other, they all "jack it in" as soon as the tough gets going, they try to do each other over, they all have interests which conflict the working class interests. 

And yet, somehow.. despite it being an open goal, the easiest group of idiots to beat in what seems like FOREVER... Labour don't even look like they know what they're doing.  Corbyn just seemingly does whatever he likes, his team are regularly lampooned and made to look stupid because of silly comments or whatever..  The whole world of politics looks ridiculous.  They look unorganised, they don't have a clear message.  Whenever I listen to Corbyn, he's just having a go at the interviewer for not listening to him, and them him explaining something he said 6 months ago.. 

How are they/have they managed to **** up something which should have made Labour undroppable for the foreseeable? 

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I found myself, during the election campaign last time out, suddenly drawn to Corbyn.  I'd never really heard what he had to say before, and then I discovered he was articulate and thoughtful and spoke with conviction.

He showed up in popular culture and didn't look awkward with it (apart from that weird high 5 boob thing) and seemed like he had policies that would benefit future generations.

I was in.

Since then, I've barely heard anything from him.  I don't know what his stance is on most things.  It feels non-committal, and not even reactionary as there rarely seems to be a reaction.

We're in an era where, as a country, we need a great leader more than ever.  Nobody at the top of either party seems to have that in their locker.  There's no Ferguson or Guardiola or Klopp in the political world.  Just lots of Steve Bruces and Mourinhos and, mostly, Alan Pardews.

And thinking about it like this, right now, it hit me.

Corbyn just isn't a leader.  He's a rabble rouser.  He always has been.  That's why he looked good during campaigning - that when he's in his element.  But that's such a fraction of what he needs to be doing.

Irrespective of political party, this country needs a figurehead.  There's nobody in sight.

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16 minutes ago, lapal_fan said:

How are they/have they managed to **** up something which should have made Labour undroppable for the foreseeable? 

It's like watching a relegation battle between two teams. One team, all the players hate each other and they all hate the manager and the fans love the team. The other club, the fans love the manager, but the players hate the manager and the fans hate most of the players.

The loser is the one that scores the most own goals. There's no winner. Just ludicrous incomptence.

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5 minutes ago, NurembergVillan said:

There's no Ferguson or Guardiola or Klopp in the political world.  Just lots of Steve Bruces and Mourinhos and, mostly, Alan Pardews.

And thinking about it like this, right now, it hit me.

Corbyn just isn't a leader.  He's a rabble rouser.  He always has been.  That's why he looked good during campaigning - that when he's in his element.  But that's such a fraction of what he needs to be doing.

He's Tim Sherwood. Inexplicably popular with some, but basically useless.

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Just now, blandy said:

It's like watching a relegation battle between two teams. One team, all the players hate each other and they all hate the manager and the fans love the team. The other club, the fans love the manager, but the players hate the manager and the fans hate most of the players.

The loser is the one that scores the most own goals. There's no winner. Just ludicrous incomptence.

Incompetence was the word I was looking for! Thank you @blandy :thumb:  

5 minutes ago, NurembergVillan said:

I found myself, during the election campaign last time out, suddenly drawn to Corbyn.  I'd never really heard what he had to say before, and then I discovered he was articulate and thoughtful and spoke with conviction.

He showed up in popular culture and didn't look awkward with it (apart from that weird high 5 boob thing) and seemed like he had policies that would benefit future generations.

I was in.

Since then, I've barely heard anything from him.  I don't know what his stance is on most things.  It feels non-committal, and not even reactionary as there rarely seems to be a reaction.

That is EXACTLY where I am with him.  In the immediate aftermath of the referendum, he was everywhere, he seemed likeable, had sensible things to say, felt relatable.  

Now?  You barely hear a peep out of him apart from when he's defending himself against being called an antisemite, or "so DO you or DON'T you want to leave Brexit?" 

Obviously campaigning is his bag, but when he's not campaigning, he's just insignificant. 

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