colhint Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 I don't think, you think, that should be the case. Nor should it be. Too short a time. But after that? I suspect whatever the outcome of the next GE, Corbyn or Labour will not have a majority. Which would mean he hasn't won the last 2 elections. Has anyone from either side ever lasted after that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, colhint said: I don't think, you think, that should be the case. Nor should it be. Too short a time. But after that? I suspect whatever the outcome of the next GE, Corbyn or Labour will not have a majority. Which would mean he hasn't won the last 2 elections. Has anyone from either side ever lasted after that? I think that's probably closer to the truth. Unless the party is closer to power, he might step down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colhint Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 I don't really know how the Labour party works internally. I don't know how much momentum has a say. I am led to believe their influence is significant, maybe wrong. But if it is wouldn't they just replace with a like for like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, colhint said: I don't really know how the Labour party works internally. I don't know how much momentum has a say. I am led to believe their influence is significant, maybe wrong. But if it is wouldn't they just replace with a like for like? Depends what you mean by influence, not directly. Some members are also members of Momentum, but there is no direct influence - and most of the work done by Momentum is on the outside of things, with no direction from the Labour party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colhint Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 I suppose what I mean is, if things don't go well for Labour, and by that I mean a majority. who becomes next leader? Momentum backed or non momentum backed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, colhint said: I don't really know how the Labour party works internally. I don't know how much momentum has a say. I am led to believe their influence is significant, maybe wrong. But if it is wouldn't they just replace with a like for like? My whole pension is based on a ten quid bet that the next Labour leader will be Chuka Umunna, having first joined the SNP then parachuted in as labour Leader on a Bosman. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 9, 2019 Moderator Share Posted September 9, 2019 Just now, colhint said: I suppose what I mean is, if things don't go well for Labour, and by that I mean a majority. who becomes next leader? Momentum backed or non momentum backed. Who the unions want Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 (edited) Corbyn flustered tonight ... to top it off he just said he (Johnson ) wants to take this party into an erection of a trade deal with America Edited September 9, 2019 by tonyh29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 30 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: Corbyn flustered tonight ... to top it off he just said he (Johnson ) wants to take this party into an erection of a trade deal with America I would say angry that the PM is willing to break the law and is sat there smirking about it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 53 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: to top it off he just said he (Johnson ) wants to take this party into an erection of a trade deal with America It sounded like 'in the direction of...'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 8 hours ago, snowychap said: It sounded like 'in the direction of...'. Facts don't matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 9 hours ago, snowychap said: It sounded like 'in the direction of...'. Freudian slip? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dAVe80 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 11 hours ago, colhint said: I suppose what I mean is, if things don't go well for Labour, and by that I mean a majority. who becomes next leader? A Socialist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 11 hours ago, chrisp65 said: My whole pension is based on a ten quid bet that the next Labour leader will be Chuka Umunna, having first joined the SNP then parachuted in as labour Leader on a Bosman. You're just piggybacking on Dem's analysis earlier. On 08/05/2015 at 14:16, Demitri_C said: I am tipping Chuka Umunna as Labour need a complete revamp and modernising after this disaster election. seems to have done well in his local area. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49646544 Quote Jeremy Corbyn is expected to clarify Labour's Brexit position soon after growing pressure from the party. Better late than never I guess? Or will he leave it to back end of October? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 10 hours ago, snowychap said: It sounded like 'in the direction of...'. that would make more sense 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted September 10, 2019 Moderator Share Posted September 10, 2019 16 hours ago, tonyh29 said: Corbyn flustered tonight ... to top it off he just said he (Johnson ) wants to take this party into an erection of a trade deal with America I saw that on the telly last night. I (genuinely) thought Corbyn was pretty good. He gave the floppy Johnson a stiff talking to. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, blandy said: I saw that on the telly last night. I (genuinely) thought Corbyn was pretty good. He gave the floppy Johnson a stiff talking to. Same. He was legitimately angry at the contempt Johnson holds for his office, Parliament and the population. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: Same. He was legitimately angry at the contempt Johnson holds for his office, Parliament and the population. It's irrelevant how good he was. Most of the public will just see/accept The Sun/Mail's spin on it similar to last week's chicken front page. Edited September 10, 2019 by Wainy316 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, blandy said: I saw that on the telly last night. I (genuinely) thought Corbyn was pretty good. He gave the floppy Johnson a stiff talking to. interesting .... to me , Corbyn shouting and getting flustered I found very negative (no surprise ) , he kept missing his words ,partly as a result of his lack of control ....some some to defend this as passion and his anger , i personally thought he was rattled ... Corbyn's speech looked even more inept when Blackford came on after him with that measured and controlled manner of his , I'm no lover of the SNP and their brand of hypocrisy but Blackford does have quite a statesman like feel to him i thought Boris did what he does best (subjective) that sort of ambling but quite witty style that infuriates haters but makes others kinda like him ... I'd be gobsmacked if anyone on VT saw it as anything but the complete opposite though i'd imagine we can all agree though that Swinson was rubbish ..again Edited September 10, 2019 by tonyh29 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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