West Ham

[Zatman]

1 minute ago, Genie said:

WH averaging 1.25 goals conceded per game

Villa averaging 1.44 goals conceded per game.

while true, one of them plays 5 at the back and 2 holding midfielders every week and the other tries to attack. They are not some defensive powerhouse that we should aspire to be like, sure we could have had 4 vs them 2 weeks ago

[villalad21]

Just now, TRO said:

would be nice to have a good big one in midfield too like Soucek.

Berge might become available if SU go down.

Really like what i've seen from him. We need to identify these type of players.

[TRO]

9 minutes ago, Zatman said:

West Ham have conceded more goals than us this season

Not in the game we played them.....thats where it mattered.

I am not saying West Ham are a better team than us....I just think they are more solid and harder to beat.....I think we are better offensively and more fluid going forward.....we just concede stupid goals that cost us points of late.

west ham, got it just right tonight.....leeds struggled with them.

Edited December 11, 2020 by TRO

[Zatman]

1 minute ago, TRO said:

Not in the game we played them.....thats where it mattered.

I am not saying West Ham are a better team than us....I just think they are more solid and harder to beat.....I think we are better offensively and more fluid going forward.....we just concede stupid goals that cost us points of late.

we had a goal disallowed, missed a penalty and missed a sitter plus the goal we scored. If thats solid then I dont know what to say

[TRO]

8 minutes ago, Zatman said:

we had a goal disallowed, missed a penalty and missed a sitter plus the goal we scored. If thats solid then I dont know what to say

I think you have said it.....you think we can KEEP out scoring teams.... thats fanciful, and unsustainable, with our personnel.

We had opportunities to score, sure.....wasn't one enough for you?...away from home.....do we have to score 3 every time to secure a win.....you expect a lot from our strikers.

if we hadn't of conceded 2 headers that were unchallenged,then we would have won and i would have said that was solid.....we conceded 2 sloppy goals, that was defendable.

Edited December 11, 2020 by TRO

[Keyblade]

I'd much rather be us than West Ham right now.

[blandy]

8 minutes ago, Keyblade said:

I'd much rather be us than West Ham right now.

Always.

[VillaChris]

Considering it was all doom and gloom after they lost poorly to Newcastle first game I've seen them 6 or 7 times now and they've been really good in 4 of them. Weren't great v Fulham and we made them look incredibly average which I think should be seen as a positive for our continual development. We dominated them in a way Leicester and Wolves couldn't and even last week Man. United were incredibly lucky not to be 3 down before they turned it around with the subs.

I've said it for a few weeks now but if we finish above West Ham then we've had a pretty good season, mid part of the table is going to be really congested.

[Villaphan04]

Souček seems to score almost every other week

[jacketspuds]

5 hours ago, Villaphan04 said:

Souček seems to score almost every other week

Very good player. We could do with a unit like him in midfield.

[TRO]

6 hours ago, jacketspuds said:

Very good player. We could do with a unit like him in midfield.

So obvious to me.

[Rob182]

On 11/12/2020 at 22:27, TRO said:

So why did Mings not pick up, Ogbonna, instead of leaving him for the mismatch with Targett?

would be nice to have a good big one in midfield too like Soucek.

Leeds were just not able to impose themselves, like they normally do, because West Ham are more difficult to beat....they players who can mix it up a bit.

That’s got nothing to do with the players available though. That’s a coaching decision for how we should mark from set pieces.

I always see you wishing that we had a big unit in midfield, but unless you’re spending mega money to get someone who is defensively solid as well as creative, then we would undoubtedly lose the fluidity that we currently have in attack. Is that worth it, for the sake of what? Having a little bit more steel in midfield, and maybe winning an extra couple of headers from set pieces? So we’d probably score and concede fewer.
 

I’d rather Smith concentrates on his style that he’s played and honed for years, a style based around attack. Instead of doing what Lambert did and completely changing the way he likes to play to concentrate more on defence than anything else.

Personally I’d rather we just tightened up with better tactics and coaching at set pieces (man marking, for a start), before we just say “we need a tall guy in the middle”.

[Mjvilla]

On 11/12/2020 at 22:30, TRO said:

Not in the game we played them.....thats where it mattered.

I am not saying West Ham are a better team than us....I just think they are more solid and harder to beat.....I think we are better offensively and more fluid going forward.....we just concede stupid goals that cost us points of late.

west ham, got it just right tonight.....leeds struggled with them.

We've lost the same amount of games this season.

[TRO]

3 hours ago, Rob182 said:

That’s got nothing to do with the players available though. That’s a coaching decision for how we should mark from set pieces.

I always see you wishing that we had a big unit in midfield, but unless you’re spending mega money to get someone who is defensively solid as well as creative, then we would undoubtedly lose the fluidity that we currently have in attack. Is that worth it, for the sake of what? Having a little bit more steel in midfield, and maybe winning an extra couple of headers from set pieces? So we’d probably score and concede fewer.
 

I’d rather Smith concentrates on his style that he’s played and honed for years, a style based around attack. Instead of doing what Lambert did and completely changing the way he likes to play to concentrate more on defence than anything else.

Personally I’d rather we just tightened up with better tactics and coaching at set pieces (man marking, for a start), before we just say “we need a tall guy in the middle”.

Yeah, i agree with much of that, but i disagree on the tall guys.....some of them are fine players.....i don't want cloggers either.

i don't think Dean  has to change his style to introduce the kind of players, i am suggesting, particularly for the squad, not just the team.....that way we can mix it up, fir various opponents.....he has no variety to change a game at times.

its funny how Bayern Munich are showing interest in Soucek, they must identify with variation too.

[Rob182]

10 hours ago, TRO said:

Yeah, i agree with much of that, but i disagree on the tall guys.....some of them are fine players.....i don't want cloggers either.

i don't think Dean  has to change his style to introduce the kind of players, i am suggesting, particularly for the squad, not just the team.....that way we can mix it up, fir various opponents.....he has no variety to change a game at times.

its funny how Bayern Munich are showing interest in Soucek, they must identify with variation too.

Are Bayern showing interest the same way that Milan ‘showed interest’ in Nigel Reo Coker?

I’ll believe it if it happens.

We’d all love us to have players that are brilliant technically and also man mountains that can battle, but it’s just not realistic. Look at Paul Pogba. Man Utd thought they’d brought in a creative player that can score and is also 6ft3 and up for the fight. He’s a useless passenger in most of their games. How much did he cost?

If we just want a tall body for certain games then we’d honestly be better just shoving a defender into midfield and seeing how that pans out. Shove Engels or Hause in Dougie’s place for starters, before we go forking out £30m for a player to allow us to play against Smith’s usual plan, just for when we play West Ham or Burnley.

[Nigel]

It annoys me every time I see west ham so high up...spawny gets!

[TRO]

16 hours ago, Rob182 said:

Are Bayern showing interest the same way that Milan ‘showed interest’ in Nigel Reo Coker?

I’ll believe it if it happens.

We’d all love us to have players that are brilliant technically and also man mountains that can battle, but it’s just not realistic. Look at Paul Pogba. Man Utd thought they’d brought in a creative player that can score and is also 6ft3 and up for the fight. He’s a useless passenger in most of their games. How much did he cost?

If we just want a tall body for certain games then we’d honestly be better just shoving a defender into midfield and seeing how that pans out. Shove Engels or Hause in Dougie’s place for starters, before we go forking out £30m for a player to allow us to play against Smith’s usual plan, just for when we play West Ham or Burnley.

perhaps you missed Vestergaard as the opposite of what your saying.

I have alread said, its not a clogger, I am suggesting, but you have elected to ignore that, and follow what you think I said......There is an old saying " a good big un will beat a good little un any day"......yeah,yeah, yeah its a throw away comment......it just highlights the importance of physicality in a contact sport....something you may take as a given, or ignore it as irrelevant.

I happen to think its very relevant....and worth discussing....without implying its the be all and end all, which is what you seem to think I am saying.

To have teams like Barcelona or Man city with their low centre of gravity players, amongst the worlds best, is just as unrealistic......so a few weapons of variety that can score goals from set pieces and the like, might be worth looking at.....options is all what is being suggested.

 

[MaVilla]

thanks the lord for our owners and board.

Top kek....

West Ham appoint an ex-PORN STAR to their board as co-owner David Sullivan's partner Emma Benton-Hughes, whose credits include X-rated 'horny housewives' and 'lesbian nurse' films, steps into the boardroom:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9138031/West-Ham-appoint-ex-PORN-STAR-board.html

[Keyblade]

1 hour ago, MaVilla said:

thanks the lord for our owners and board.

Top kek....

West Ham appoint an ex-PORN STAR to their board as co-owner David Sullivan's partner Emma Benton-Hughes, whose credits include X-rated 'horny housewives' and 'lesbian nurse' films, steps into the boardroom:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9138031/West-Ham-appoint-ex-PORN-STAR-board.html

The real story here is that the owner's partner just strolled into the boardroom of a football club.

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They say a picture paints a thousand words. 

They must spend most of their allowance on Viagra and lubricants.