sir_gary_cahill Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 3 hours ago, TrentVilla said: They would have been more interesting to watch, dire game and terrible standard. As for RHM he looked no better than anyone on the pitch. Did he do anything of note? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 On 11/01/2019 at 15:39, tomav84 said: 2. how exactly has the management of youth prospects been appalling? could it be that they're just not very good? Gary Cahill and Marc Albrighton say “hi”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 47 minutes ago, briny_ear said: Gary Cahill and Marc Albrighton say “hi”. So does 2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted January 12, 2019 Moderator Share Posted January 12, 2019 2 hours ago, sir_gary_cahill said: Did he do anything of note? Nothing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 49 minutes ago, TrentVilla said: Nothing. Considering the fact he has zero goals for us in 15 appearances and zero goals for England in 15 appearances from ages 16 to 20 that doesn't surprise me in the slightest. He really isn't very good. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted January 13, 2019 Moderator Share Posted January 13, 2019 18 minutes ago, KHV said: Considering the fact he has zero goals for us in 15 appearances and zero goals for England in 15 appearances from ages 16 to 20 that doesn't surprise me in the slightest. He really isn't very good. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 2 hours ago, KHV said: Considering the fact he has zero goals for us in 15 appearances and zero goals for England in 15 appearances from ages 16 to 20 that doesn't surprise me in the slightest. He really isn't very good. The fact he has been picked for the England youth sides alone is an achievement, think of the players that have played for those sides. Quite a few of his performances for those sides have been sub appearances. He is amazing, his natural ability is fantastic, not only that but he seems to have the mental side of the game too in my opinion. I’ve met him, he’s a very nice, funny guy, write him off at your peril, he’s had a lot of injuries for someone so young, he will bounce back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted January 13, 2019 Moderator Share Posted January 13, 2019 5 hours ago, sir_gary_cahill said: The fact he has been picked for the England youth sides alone is an achievement, think of the players that have played for those sides. Quite a few of his performances for those sides have been sub appearances. He is amazing, his natural ability is fantastic, not only that but he seems to have the mental side of the game too in my opinion. I’ve met him, he’s a very nice, funny guy, write him off at your peril, he’s had a lot of injuries for someone so young, he will bounce back Yes it is n achievement. What it isn’t is any kind of assurance that someone will make it in the senior game at a decent level, there are countless examples to show this. I can never understand why you bring irrelevant things into a discussion about a player. It doesn’t make the slightest bit of difference if you’ve met him and how nice or otherwise he is. What matters is what he does on the pitch and from what Insaw yesterday against the worst side in the football league that isn’t something to get excited about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 6 hours ago, sir_gary_cahill said: The fact he has been picked for the England youth sides alone is an achievement, think of the players that have played for those sides Some greats have played for those sides. So have a lot of shite. Delfouneso for example. Except even he banged in plenty of goals at that level. RHM has done nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 12 hours ago, briny_ear said: Gary Cahill and Marc Albrighton say “hi”. Unfortunately both players were not at the required standard for what we wanted to do as they broke through and wanted first team football. Both dropped down, gained experienced and took over where our club was. I'm not sure we handled them that badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted January 13, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted January 13, 2019 10 hours ago, KHV said: Considering the fact he has zero goals for us in 15 appearances and zero goals for England in 15 appearances from ages 16 to 20 that doesn't surprise me in the slightest. He really isn't very good. Seen him a few times in the first team, and he's been completely, utterly out of his depth. He's young, sure, but I don't see enough in him to think he'll ever make it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 With the pressure of promotion, I don't think managers can risk bedding in youth players in the first team. They need to have something very special and be consistent with it to be given a chance in the match day squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 47 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: With the pressure of promotion, I don't think managers can risk bedding in youth players in the first team. They need to have something very special and be consistent with it to be given a chance in the match day squad. Other teams manage to bed them in. Norwich, Leeds, Wolves (in the prem), Albion. I’m sure there are more doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted January 13, 2019 Moderator Share Posted January 13, 2019 1 hour ago, DCJonah said: Unfortunately both players were not at the required standard for what we wanted to do as they broke through and wanted first team football. Both dropped down, gained experienced and took over where our club was. I'm not sure we handled them that badly. Gary Cahill managed Gary Cahill very well. Marc Albrighton managed Marc Albrighton very well. Aston Villa managed Aston Villa very badly. We have a responsibility to give RHM the opportunity to manage himself very well, ultimately though it'll be up to him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 His goal scoring exploits at under 23 level suggests he has 'something to work with'. His loan spell is a massive acid test, keen to see how he gets on over the course of the season, not out of the ordinary for a young player on loan to have a poor first game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: His goal scoring exploits at under 23 level suggests he has 'something to work with'. His loan spell is a massive acid test, keen to see how he gets on over the course of the season, not out of the ordinary for a young player on loan to have a poor first game. I agree. I think at 20 years old and given the injuries he has had meaning he has had a very stop start last two to three years then it is too early to be writing him off. This loan move is a big chance/test for him now. He needs to be taking his goal scoring exploits for the under 23's up to that level. I hope he is seeing it for what it is and a real chance for him to get his senior career going. If he bangs in a few goals for Cambridge and impresses then he may well be able to come back here and really kick on. Edited January 13, 2019 by markavfc40 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, TrentVilla said: Agreed. He is very good at getting injured though. I'd say fonz had more potential than him and he was pretty shit Edited January 13, 2019 by Demitri_C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 47 minutes ago, mikeyp102 said: Other teams manage to bed them in. Norwich, Leeds, Wolves (in the prem), Albion. I’m sure there are more doing it. Those teams haven't got the fan base or expectation of ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 2 hours ago, DCJonah said: Unfortunately both players were not at the required standard for what we wanted to do as they broke through and wanted first team football. Both dropped down, gained experienced and took over where our club was. I'm not sure we handled them that badly. I think we handled them both very badly but that’s a discussion for another thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 52 minutes ago, briny_ear said: I think we handled them both very badly but that’s a discussion for another thread. From what i remember cahil wanted games after a very successful loan spell, at the time we were finishing 6th and giving the top 4 a serious challenge. He wasn't ready to start consistently in a team like that, hence his drop down to bolton. Albrighton was really poor in a period where everyone was poor under lambert and i believe wanted large wages or was offered money by leicester that he didn't warrant as we cut costs under lerner. As OBE said, it worked well for both of them, we just **** ourselves up during both periods. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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