NurembergVillan Posted February 28, 2015 Moderator Share Posted February 28, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3te Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 Lambert. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 .......It depends how deep you want to go. The owner changed his objective after 4 years, to try and get back his wasted millions. That changed the way we buy players and ended up buying players no better or worse than we were letting go.....its been a downward spiral ever since under different managers who have added no value. I guess it has to be Mr Randolph Lerner for reducing the transfer budget and appointing managers who have failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oaks Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Lerner 100%. He had a chance to get rid of Lambert in the summer and didn't. He's made bad decision after bad decision which will eventually cost himself a lot of money, and us out top flight status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Lerner had been a long, slow car crash for the club. Finally I understand why Cleveland Browns fans composed songs about how much they hated him and put them on Youtube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 The owner changed his objective after 4 years, to try and get back his wasted millions. That's where I disagree and why I said Platini, in my mind the owner changed his objective after 4 years because UEFA implemented rules that said he had to 2 major goalposts have moved sin pace Lerner bought us, 1st was man city, 2nd was the most unfair fair play rule imaginable Again in my mind it's the same reason Lerner can't sell us, you'd be insane to buy a football club with these rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 I would have said Lerner, but as much as I hate his (lack of) leadership I hate 'the system' more. Modern football, in England especially, is rigged in favour of the rich and powerful. It's a perfect symbol for much of what's wrong with society, really. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 (edited) Lerner overall but for this season specificially Lambert. We shouldn't be in this position with the squad we've had and although I think bad luck's played a part in it he was the one who let the confidence get to this stage. It's just shameful, absolutely shameful. Edited March 1, 2015 by Mantis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dounavilla Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 I blame Tonev. Not really Lerner all the way ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post maqroll Posted March 1, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted March 1, 2015 (edited) The lions share must go to Lerner, who was too naive and too trusting of MON's judgement that once that period came to a head, the whole project ground to a stand still. Had MON been smarter and less of an egoist, we could have strolled right into the Champions League, and right now we could be CL regulars with the rest of them. But Lerner put too much faith in O'Neill, and that is down to plain stupidity. Lambert just inherited the mess and the restrictions, as well as McLeish. They tried and failed, and as awful as they were, they had a tough job under the circumstances. 1.Lerner 2. O'Neill Nobody else deserves any grief if we go down. Faulkner was just a yes man, Fox got here too late, the managers since MON could only tread the water they were thrown into. Edited March 1, 2015 by maqroll 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.Bear Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Terrible manager appointments. The squad is always better than our league position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marka Ragnos Posted March 1, 2015 Author VT Supporter Share Posted March 1, 2015 Lerner had been a long, slow car crash for the club. Finally I understand why Cleveland Browns fans composed songs about how much they hated him and put them on Youtube. One of my closest friends is a Browns fan, and Lerner remains pretty much a bad taste in Browns' fans mouths, years after he sold out. He was seen as a do-nothing, asleep-at-the-wheel owner. Sound familiar? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pas5898 Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 All started with MoN for me. He blew too much mony. That started the ball rolling. People moan at Lerner but he's spent 100s of millions on our club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieZ Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 First MON for literally spanking huge sums of cash on terrible players... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ginko Posted March 1, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted March 1, 2015 (edited) All started with MoN for me. He blew too much mony. That started the ball rolling. People moan at Lerner but he's spent 100s of millions on our club. And Lerner appointed MON. There's no single person to blame in my view, they all contributed in their ways, but Randy has to take the majority of the blame. MON wasted our best opportunity to cement our place amongst the top by blowing stupid amounts of money on average players and putting them on long contracts and then never playing them until Europe. And he wondered why we lost when none of them were match fit or sharp, aside from the fact they just weren't good enough. What was the point in pushing for the Champion's League spots when we didn't even give Europe a go? He played a one-dimensional brand of football that was never going to bring sustained success and he left us in dire straits financially. I don't blame Houllier at all, I liked what he was doing, but Lerner and presumably Faulkner take the blame for hiring him and wasting more time and money on an old coach with well-reported health problems. It was pretty obvious what was going to happen. I don't even blame McCleish all that much, I even felt a little sorry for him. Of course he was going to take the job, but hiring him in the first place was madness. Another Lerner/Faulkner balls up that was not only the wrong decision on the footballing and business side, but on a personal side too. I'm sure there would have been some fans who would have been against him for managing Blues even if he was an amazing manager with a proven track record for success, but they would have been the minority. The media really screwed us over with that whole thing, and guess what? The fans were right, again. Lambert takes a decent portion too. He had it tough, I won't deny that, but I've lost count of how many stupid decisions he made on and off the pitch. I'll admit his transfer market dealings haven't been bad, Benteke is obviously the best example, but Jordan Bowery? I know we didn't spend stupid amounts on him, but playing that waste of space instead of other players with more potential was ridiculous. We've wasted money on others too. Lowton, Bennett, Luna, Helenius, Tonev, Cole, they all add up, especially when we've had such little money to spend in recent years. The worst thing about Lambert for me was not only his stupid tactical decisions, but his inability to change things. His well-worn 'We go again' catchphrase is incredibly telling. Under his tutelage that has meant doing the exact same thing time after time after time. It was boring and it was predictable and other teams loved to play against us because they knew exactly how we would play and set up. It's no surprise we performed better against the top teams, because they are so arrogant that they choose to beat us their way rather than setting up differently against us. And most times they did beat us, but simply because they were better than us. However, Randy appointed them all and has pulled the plug financially when a.) he could have given us more, and b.) we needed it the most. He has been a stupid, hands-off owner who has reneged on the promises he made to us when he first took over. I understand that he's pumped millions into the club and I understand that Aston Villa is not an easy asset to sell right now, but he could have done more and he could have done it sooner. His wait-and-see attitude and his incompetence will see us relegated this season, though I'm still clinging onto a shred of hope that we'll stay up. If we do, it will have nothing to do with Lerner, however. Edited March 1, 2015 by Ginko 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 good post ginko i would've liked it, but I'm clinging to the idea that we can save ourselves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginko Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Ha, you can still Like it. I'm still clinging myself, just about. Here, I'll even edit it for you 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3te Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 All started with MoN for me. He blew too much mony. That started the ball rolling. People moan at Lerner but he's spent 100s of millions on our club. And Lerner appointed MON. Doug will say otherwise 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Lerner for the huge amount of mistakes over the past 9 years. I mean, who spends money they can't afford trying to win a lottery of finishing fourth. Lerner for the ridiculous cutbacks. This is not NFL buddy. We can go down. Lerner for the four year contract to Lambert. I mean, **** hell. Lambert for driving the morale of the players down. Lambert for being too scared, for trying not to lose before trying to win and for killing any confidence the players had. Lambert for the tactics which have taken away the freedom from players, which they struggle to get back. Fox for dithering whilst Aston burned. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted March 1, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted March 1, 2015 Has to be Lerner, you can't seriously look anywhere else. From McLeish onwards we've been a joke. The cost cutting should have been approached with a far less heavy hand. When it was clear (last 3 years) that we did not have the the youngsters good enough to save us we should have invested in the squad much more. Like double the amounts at least. If he wasn't going to help Lambert he should have sacked him in December and then made 40m available to a new man with the aim of securing premier league TV income. We are currently in very deep shit and the championship is a very hard league to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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