dn1982 Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 A living wage? Who at Aston Villa gets less than this made up figure? Or is it a cause because it sounds right but without knowing exact details? I'd guess most permanent staff are on more than it and only those part time ie Matchday staff are on minimum wage. Your job is worth what it's worth if you don't like it get another one or better yourself in the one you've got. The minimum wage was brought in to achieve a certain level of living standard without bankrupting companies. The living wage is made up by left wingers just to have a moan about capitalism. Forgetting about the new TV Deal would you want your ST increased to pay this living wage? Just quoting this in case you decide to delete it after the revolution. I'll check my pie for foreign objects tomorrow!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisVillan Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 A living wage? Who at Aston Villa gets less than this made up figure? Or is it a cause because it sounds right but without knowing exact details? I'd guess most permanent staff are on more than it and only those part time ie Matchday staff are on minimum wage. Your job is worth what it's worth if you don't like it get another one or better yourself in the one you've got. The minimum wage was brought in to achieve a certain level of living standard without bankrupting companies. The living wage is made up by left wingers just to have a moan about capitalism. Forgetting about the new TV Deal would you want your ST increased to pay this living wage? Just quoting this in case you decide to delete it after the revolution. I'll check my pie for foreign objects tomorrow!! I'd never interfere with a fellow supporter's pie at the football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaajax Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Did anyone see this on the BBC website the other day? How long would it take you to earn a top footballer’s salary? It would take Ronaldo 13 minutes to earn my weekly salary and it would take me 760 years to earn his annual salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morley_crosses_to_Withe Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 (edited) ...The living wage is made up by left wingers just to have a moan about capitalism. Forgetting about the new TV Deal would you want your ST increased to pay this living wage?Strange comment, dn. When the clubs have gazillions of income, they can certainly afford £7.85 an hour for all the staff and employees. Look at the prices they charge for bottles of pop, beer, pies, crisps and so on. And people who serve us that stuff ought to be able to earn £15.70 for two hours they spend serving us - it's not a fortune, it's not some left wing made up rubbish - it's basic human decency - it's a figure worked out as that needed to let workers lead a decent life. that is the clubs argument against it though yes villa earn a lot of money, do they earn more than mcdonalds? no, so why should the bloke serving chips at VP be on more than the bloke serving chips there, do they earn more than the arcadia group? no, so why should the cleaners at VP be on more than the cleaners who work for them? its the disparity between the match day staff and the players that skews the argument, but the argument why should villa do it when bigger more profitable companies in the UK dont is actually a pretty sound one IMO The Arcadia group and McDonalds have to generate revenue by themselves. Nobody has come to them and said "Hey, let us film you at work and we'll give you billions in free money for the privilege". But, as an aside, those companies should, ideally, pay their employees the living wage, but they're too interested in the shareholders or paying huge salaries to the board. That doesn't mean the Premier League has to follow suit by paying woefully average footballers another 10-20K per week. Why can't some of that money filter down to the front line staff, to make their lives a little bit easier. Edited February 14, 2015 by Morley_crosses_to_Withe 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 how the revenue is generated shouldnt have any bearing on it its strange to me that once again people are again looking to football and expecting some sort of morals and then are upset when they dont find any they're a business the same way as any other, they have shareholders and huge salaries to the board (and the players) like i said until mcdonalds do it i don't see why villa should do it, the fact that they should all do it is something different 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morley_crosses_to_Withe Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Shareholders? How many PL clubs are PLCs? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heid3ster Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Point remains, there won't be many companies in this country where those on the bottom rung aren't on comparatively poor wages compared to those at the top With the case of football it's only emphasised by the fact that the players are on ridiculous wages Is the issue that the guy selling chips is on £6 or that gabby is on £60k a week? It's not the fact that the guy selling chips is on £6 because that's what everyone else pays for selling chips, even companies more profitable than villa still only pay £6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Signed, but the amount of people who moan on here about the non-playing staff costs every year the accounts come out would say otherwise there is a few on here who won't. I think that's more of a concern that there seem to be vast armies of people on the non-playing staff and it's not clear what they are achieving, rather than objecting to the wages paid to individual staff members. I signed this petition but felt a bit guilty about doing so - the living wage is still pitifully small, even though a little bit better than minimum wage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted February 14, 2015 Moderator Share Posted February 14, 2015 Signed. I think other clubs do this but it doesn't cover agency staff. Which is odd, because under the Agency Workers Rights legislation if those agency workers establish a pattern over thirteen weeks then they're entitled to the same wage and conditions as directly employed workers doing the same job. A season of match days is a pattern so I'm guessing they'd end up paying anyway. It's a strange and complicated world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahmeerkat Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morley_crosses_to_Withe Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Point remains, there won't be many companies in this country where those on the bottom rung aren't on comparatively poor wages compared to those at the top With the case of football it's only emphasised by the fact that the players are on ridiculous wages Is the issue that the guy selling chips is on £6 or that gabby is on £60k a week? It's not the fact that the guy selling chips is on £6 because that's what everyone else pays for selling chips, even companies more profitable than villa still only pay £6 But you're still using examples of listed companies with shareholders whose main aim is to return value to their shareholders. Aston Villa football club do not need to do that. If an average footballer, let's say Matt Lowton, gets another 10K p/w in his wage packet because of an enhanced TV deal, but the bloke selling chips can't be given an extra £1 or so per hour then the modern game is more rotten than I thought. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlwaysAVFC Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Signed. I think other clubs do this but it doesn't cover agency staff. Which is odd, because under the Agency Workers Rights legislation if those agency workers establish a pattern over thirteen weeks then they're entitled to the same wage and conditions as directly employed workers doing the same job. A season of match days is a pattern so I'm guessing they'd end up paying anyway. It's a strange and complicated world. They can probably argue it isn't such a strong pattern as its not every week, the match day changes as well as kick off time so its not the same shift every week. In my job we pay living wage to contracted staff but not to casuals(which are non agency) although with unions involved this may change. The casuals get an hourly rate which is supplemented with holiday pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 The way things have been down the Villa of late I've gotten more joy from the chips and curry sauce than I have the football. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Just because McDonald's act like pricks doesn't mean Aston Villa has to as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw_nuff Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 A living wage? Who at Aston Villa gets less than this made up figure? Or is it a cause because it sounds right but without knowing exact details? I'd guess most permanent staff are on more than it and only those part time ie Matchday staff are on minimum wage. Your job is worth what it's worth if you don't like it get another one or better yourself in the one you've got. The minimum wage was brought in to achieve a certain level of living standard without bankrupting companies. The living wage is made up by left wingers just to have a moan about capitalism. Forgetting about the new TV Deal would you want your ST increased to pay this living wage? Are you kidding me? Do you actually believe we live in a capitalist society? You've got Help to Buy (1 and 2), Funding for Lending - basically anything to prop up and re-liquidate failed banks. The Bank of England, the US and the EU printing TRILLIONS, yes..... TRILLIONS of our money, to give to their already asset-rich mates to spunk on whatever they like. I've got news for you mate, It's socialism for the rich. Capitalism for everyone else. And you have a problem with someone getting enough money to live on. </Political rant> 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supernova26 Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Why not just cancel your Sky/BT Sports subscription, much more logical and effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Point remains, there won't be many companies in this country where those on the bottom rung aren't on comparatively poor wages compared to those at the top With the case of football it's only emphasised by the fact that the players are on ridiculous wages Is the issue that the guy selling chips is on £6 or that gabby is on £60k a week? It's not the fact that the guy selling chips is on £6 because that's what everyone else pays for selling chips, even companies more profitable than villa still only pay £6 But you're still using examples of listed companies with shareholders whose main aim is to return value to their shareholders. Aston Villa football club do not need to do that. If an average footballer, let's say Matt Lowton, gets another 10K p/w in his wage packet because of an enhanced TV deal, but the bloke selling chips can't be given an extra £1 or so per hour then the modern game is more rotten than I thought. Yeah but you're bringing matt lowton in to an argument when in reality you should be saying a chip seller at McDonald's earns minimum wage, a chip seller at Burger King earns minimum wage, a chip seller at KFC earns minimum wage, a chip seller at St. Andrews earns minimum wage, a chip seller at villa park earns minimum wage What matt lowton earns is irrelevant I fail to see a good argument as to why villa should pay their chip sellers more than anyone else 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 I'm with V4E why should we pay more than anybody else. Market forces dictate how much we pay chip sellers, why should people on the breadline get preferential treatment over anybody else...should a person who gets £1 more than the living wage get slightly more as well, what about £2 more...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NurembergVillan Posted February 15, 2015 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted February 15, 2015 Sometimes the only reason you need to do something is because it's "the right thing to do". I hold doors open for people, even though they have their own arms and hands. I say pardon after burping, even though it's natural. I leave tip when I get good service in a restaurant, even though the staff are being paid to serve me. How many staff work at VP on a matchday and would be affected by this? 1000? So if they earn an extra quid an hour each, say for 5 hours every two weeks, that's £2500 per week extra for us to be heralded as good employers, maybe even a cornerstone of the local community (you know, like football clubs used to be before it turned into the brigade of bell ends we watch now). At the very least it's good marketing. But simply, it's the right thing to do. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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