Stevo985 Posted April 21, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted April 21, 2015 (edited) Sherwood can't really lose with this one. When Gil does get some game time, if he is rubbish then that is why he hasn't been playing, if he is good then the timing wasn't right before but now it is. The only way he can really lose is if he never plays him and then gets rid. Don't be silly. If you start playing someone and they're really good then you should have been playing them all along! Like Okore? Exactly my point. And Grealish. We should have been playing him since he was 6 years old FFS! Edited April 21, 2015 by Stevo985 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samjp26 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Stranger things have happened but I can't see him leaving in the Summer. He only just got here and right now we are in a scrap at the bottom, I myself have been a bit confused but it is true - results are what count. When we're out if this scrap, which I think we will be in a few weeks time, Gil will be integrated into Tim's playing style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HanoiVillan Posted April 21, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted April 21, 2015 I don't like how people in this thread are being accused of moaning or having a go for simply speculating why Gil hasn't featured at all for a good number of weeks now. It's perplexing to say the least, and when people say so they're not having a go at Sherwood (for the most part), so can we chill with the strawman arguments? I agree with this TBH. While I accept that some of the wilder theories are more than a bit far-fetched, this is still the Carles Gil thread, it really should be okay for people to speculate on matters related to the player himself. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 It should be ok to speculate. But if your speculation involves some bizzare theories having a go at a manager who's doing a bloody good job, expect people to respond. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 The only thing thats " Baffling " is why you seem to think im moaning?. It was just a though on why hes not getting any game time even before this spell of good form. With all due respect i think you should wind your neck in and relax a bit. It was seriously the most stupid thing I've read on here in years. You think he isn't playing Gil in case he scores lots of goals and people say that it's only because of a master stroke signing by Lambert scoring lots of goals? A bit like Benteke you mean? I kinda know where he is coming from. We know Sherwood has a huge ego, an maybe he wants to prove he can do what a experienced manager like Lambert couldn't do, with the same players he had. Introducing Gil may make people think Gil has brought the winning formula, an im sure Sherwood wants 100% of the praise. I think this is being massively overthought. Sherwood's reputation hinges on one thing. Keep us in the league - he will pick a team based on who he thinks is most likely to deliver that and in Sherwood's opinion Gil is not the best option. Perhaps he doesn't track back enough given that the team now push forward in numbers. Perhaps he doesn't perform in training. Perhaps Sherwood has had the revolutionary idea that Grealish and N'Zogbia are better options at number 10. I personally don't give a stuff if GIl never plays for us again, so long as we stay in the PL and give Arsenal a bloody good go in the FA Cup - I'm not really sure where the idea that Gil is the answer to all our problems has come from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted April 21, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted April 21, 2015 I personally don't give a stuff if GIl never plays for us again, so long as we stay in the PL and give Arsenal a bloody good go in the FA Cup - I'm not really sure where the idea that Gil is the answer to all our problems has come from. Like I keep saying, I don't think many people, if any, think he is the solution to our problems. I just don't see how anyone can think it's not a tiny bit strange that someone who looked like one of our best players when he played suddenly isn't getting a look in. There's nothing wrong with that. We're doing well without him so we can't complain. But people are just curious. I've sai dbefore, but even if the explanation is that Gil hasn't been good enough, that in itself is still quite strange as it would represent quite a plummet in ability/performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myko Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 That idea has probably come from him being absolutely class in the vast majority of small chances he was given. Him not playing doesn't bother me too much as we are playing well and the players currently ahead of him (such as Grealish) are clearly benefiting from the game time. However it is frustrating me the amount of people being ridiculed on this thread for merely wanting to see more of a player who was by far our best performer in a number of appearances. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Who has been ridiculed for wanting Gill to play or be given a chance? The people who have been ridiculed are those saying they'd rather Gill be here next season than Sherwood or those creating ridiculous theories to have a go at Sherwood for not picking him. That deserves to be ridiculed. Wanting him to have a chance does not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Gil looked good for the majority of his playing time, but Sherwood has picked a team which is pulling us out of the relegation mire, and has put us into an FA final, without Gil, and whatever the reason for not playing him, we cannot have any real complaint. My suggestion would be that he perhaps feels he is not strong enough at this stage, as I did think he was a little bit lightweight when he played. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Gil looked good for the majority of his playing time, but Sherwood has picked a team which is pulling us out of the relegation mire, and has put us into an FA final, without Gil, and whatever the reason for not playing him, we cannot have any real complaint. My suggestion would be that he perhaps feels he is not strong enough at this stage, as I did think he was a little bit lightweight when he played. I remember his performances against Hull and especially Stoke as being pretty poor, he got hauled off early doors against Stoke and since then we have played well especially in an attacking sense. I don't think we miss him personally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillanousOne Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 (edited) Gil looked good for the majority of his playing time, but Sherwood has picked a team which is pulling us out of the relegation mire, and has put us into an FA final, without Gil, and whatever the reason for not playing him, we cannot have any real complaint. My suggestion would be that he perhaps feels he is not strong enough at this stage, as I did think he was a little bit lightweight when he played. I remember his performances against Hull and especially Stoke as being pretty poor, he got hauled off early doors against Stoke and since then we have played well especially in an attacking sense. I don't think we miss him personally I think the team has a decent balance to it so we probably don't miss him presently, but when when we need a sub who can make an impact or keep the ball then I would say he is a good option. He is the only player we have who can keep the ball for long spells and dribble past a lot of players (Grealish is getting there), so at the very least should be coming off the bench rather than Cole or Weimann. He has no God given right to start but I think he's shown enough to be given a chance, whether that chance is now or next season it doesn't matter as long as we aren't losing. Edited April 21, 2015 by VillanousOne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 When Kenny Dalglish made Sherwood one of his first signings in the Jack Walker big-spending era, he didn't play Sherwood very much at all at first, and saved him until he thought he was ready. Sherwood then went on to captain the side that came runners-up, then won the Premier League. Perhaps that experience has rubbed off on Sherwood. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condimentalist Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 I'm not so concerned about him not playing at the moment as the team is playing well and scoring goals (although I'd always rather see him than Weimann or NZog), but what does worry me is that we could end up losing a hugely talented player in the summer for seemingly no reason at all, or at least no reason which we are party to as supporters. I think that would be a real shame. We're playing exceptionally well with Grealish as a number 10 so at the very least he needs competition and cover there, and we all know Joe Cole isn't a reliable solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrackpotForeigner Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 I want him to play if for no other reason than that we owe him better after the way he's played for us so far. Not that he's likely to get a chance under this useless clown of a manager (I'm being 110% serious, possibly) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggy_333 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 When Kenny Dalglish made Sherwood one of his first signings in the Jack Walker big-spending era, he didn't play Sherwood very much at all at first, and saved him until he thought he was ready. Sherwood then went on to captain the side that came runners-up, then won the Premier League. Perhaps that experience has rubbed off on Sherwood. I agree....Gil for captain next season! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 I want him to play if for no other reason than that we owe him better after the way he's played for us so far. Not that he's likely to get a chance under this useless clown of a manager (I'm being 110% serious, possibly) Actually not sure if serious on either point. We owe him nothing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 The only thing thats " Baffling " is why you seem to think im moaning?. It was just a though on why hes not getting any game time even before this spell of good form. With all due respect i think you should wind your neck in and relax a bit. It was seriously the most stupid thing I've read on here in years. You think he isn't playing Gil in case he scores lots of goals and people say that it's only because of a master stroke signing by Lambert scoring lots of goals? A bit like Benteke you mean? I kinda know where he is coming from. We know Sherwood has a huge ego, an maybe he wants to prove he can do what a experienced manager like Lambert couldn't do, with the same players he had. Introducing Gil may make people think Gil has brought the winning formula, an im sure Sherwood wants 100% of the praise. I have read and said some outlandish things about football over the years but they suddenly all seem utterly mundane and sensible after reading this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post terrytini Posted April 22, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted April 22, 2015 (edited) I'm staggered that an albeit skillfull looking player who scored one good goal and stood out for the impact of his touch of individual flair in a team that was as moribund and turgid as it gets is prompting some of these comments. We owe him a game ? Sherwood doesn't pick him to prove that he ( Sherwood) is why were winning ? Sherwood is using him to make a point because he did it at spurs ? Etc etc. I don't recall us either competing with a load of other clubs for the guys signature, nor having to pay much for him. I don't recall seeing many assists from him when helayed. I don't recall our results from when he came being any better than before he came. We all know ( I thought) that any manager will pick the side he regards as most likely to win, for a multitude of reasons like skill, effort, desire, fitness, comparability with tactics and shape and plans, and whatever else. We all know , I would hope, that the current manager has done a remarkable job in getting those players he HAS picked to dramatically improve their prrformances as well as getting them ( most crucially of all in my view) to ' click' in terms of how they interact with each other - just look back at the interplay over recent weeks which h reached a peak against Liverpool). And we would be hard pushed to say either of the two players who are arguably keeping him out, zog and grealish, have done badly, (one experienced and one a potential wizard, neither of which Gil is). So what on earth is the reason for the concern, the conspiracy theories, the inferred criticism of the manager, and the general gnashing of teeth and rending of garments ? Edited April 22, 2015 by terrytini 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KSV Posted April 22, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted April 22, 2015 read everyones comments.. feels like this thread is just on repeat.... geez. We rate him as a player and hes not getting games.. we are wondering why. End of. Lets just see what happens in the future now. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 We rate him as a player and hes not getting games.. we are wondering why. End of. You missed out having a go at Sherwood. That's the issue, not what you've put above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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