chrisp65 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Hopefully I'm stating the obvious here. ISIS tend not to all wear the same uniform and march in formation. We can disrupt them, we can inflict massive defeats on them and deplete their numbers with carpet bombing and selected assassination of leaders. All brilliant. I'll cheers everytime. But there will not be an end date when we 'win'. There isn't going to be a set piece tank battle. If it gets truly grim for them, they will melt away. It's the nature of the thing. An unmonitored USSR didn't defeat the mujahideen, Bush didn't annihilate the Iraqi military. Ditto, Libya, ditto Yemen, ditto Al Qaeda after Bin Laden, ditto, ditto. We can and will disrupt them, smash them up and help get countries and communities functioning again. But it will be a long time before the last death cult nut job gives up and just goes home. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Blue ribbon to anyone who can guess at least 3 of them without looking it up 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 damn page break Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 16 minutes ago, LondonLax said: Have a watch of this video ermie. It sums up what a lot of people are concerned about when these terrorist event happen. brilliant. that actually spoke to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted November 16, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted November 16, 2015 (edited) I'll be damned if I can figure out how to make this work. Search YouTube for Dan Carlin Paris. Interesting listen on the conflict between the gut reaction and the thoughtful considered reaction to Paris. Edited November 16, 2015 by Chindie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 1 minute ago, chrisp65 said: Hopefully I'm stating the obvious here. ISIS tend not to all wear the same uniform and march in formation. We can disrupt them, we can inflict massive defeats on them and deplete their numbers with carpet bombing and selected assassination of leaders. All brilliant. I'll cheers everytime. But there will not be an end date when we 'win'. There isn't going to be a set piece tank battle. If it gets truly grim for them, they will melt away. It's the nature of the thing. An unmonitored USSR didn't defeat the mujahideen, Bush didn't annihilate the Iraqi military. Ditto, Libya, ditto Yemen, ditto Al Qaeda after Bin Laden, ditto, ditto. We can and will disrupt them, smash them up and help get countries and communities functioning again. But it will be a long time before the last death cult nut job gives up and just goes home. Quite right. The near term strategy should be to try and decimate them and cripple their operations. But long term, it's the Saudis who bankroll them, and who will bankroll whoever comes after them that is the problem. And to bring it full circle, it's the US/UK funding of the Saudis which seemingly makes the problem totally intractable. Too much money being made on this strife to slow it down anytime soon. So what is the real solution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 cant we just trick them and tell them we have converted to islam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sexbelowsound Posted November 16, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted November 16, 2015 (edited) Well worth a watch. On the light hearted side but relevant. Edited November 16, 2015 by sexbelowsound 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 And all the while, China is sitting back, watching, and waiting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted November 16, 2015 Administrator Share Posted November 16, 2015 2 minutes ago, maqroll said: And all the while, China is sitting back, watching, and waiting... If the west get it wrong, it's China who'll be paid (in oil) to rebuild the countries of the Middle East. I doubt their agenda is more than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 57 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: no surprises there then. i always forget that we are as bad as the terrorists groups. It's not us though. We're back to the suits again. 1 minute ago, maqroll said: And all the while, China is sitting back, watching, and waiting... They're quite happy, beavering away at the resources of Africa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Xann said: It's not us though. We're back to the suits again. They're quite happy, beavering away at the resources of Africa. well yeah i did not mean me and you but the people who run this joint and im not on about limpid either Edited November 16, 2015 by Rugeley Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 4 minutes ago, limpid said: If the west get it wrong, it's China who'll be paid (in oil) to rebuild the countries of the Middle East. I doubt their agenda is more than that. My point was more that they won't mind one bit if the Allied powers and Russia too all get bogged down in one sloppy mess for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 17 minutes ago, sexbelowsound said: Well worth a watch. On the light hearted side but relevant. Likable guy with good points to make, but as a practicing member of one of the Abrahamic religions, he has some core beliefs that are pretty **** crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Thought it might potentially change some peoples opinions slightly..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 2 minutes ago, sexbelowsound said: Thought it might potentially change some peoples opinions slightly..... Yeah, hopefully. I'm just being a bit of a curmudgeon, sorry man 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 (edited) 8 minutes ago, sexbelowsound said: Thought it might potentially change some peoples opinions slightly..... was pretty funny tbf. the way i view things is that in places like say alum rock for instance or any other big muslim area,or ghetto as i like to call them i invision in my head that those areas are full of extremists and the majority of people there are pro islamists and anti britain. now before anyone gets upset im probably wrong but thats the vision my mind takes of those areas, and ive been through those areas and worked there and i dont at all feel at ease with what i see. like i said im almost certain im wrong but its the view me and many people have. always said id love to get to know some muslims so my mind would possibly change and id see other sides of the religion. Edited November 16, 2015 by Rugeley Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Just now, Rugeley Villa said: was pretty funny tbf. the way i view things is that in places like say alum rock for instance or any other big muslim area,or ghetto as i like to call them i invision in my head that those areas are full of extremists and the majority of people there are pro islamists and anti britain. now before anyone gets upset im probably wrong but thats the vision my mind takes of those areas, and ive been through those areas and worked there and i dont at all feel at ease with what i see. like i said im almost certain im wrong but its the view me and many people have. always said id love to get to know some muslims so my mind would change and id see other sides of the religion. That's your opinion and nobody has any right to say you are wrong. I do think though that if you lived around these areas and interacted with these people you would see very quickly that the vast majority just want to live good, happy lives like the rest of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Just now, sexbelowsound said: That's your opinion and nobody has any right to say you are wrong. I do think though that if you lived around these areas and interacted with these people you would see very quickly that the vast majority just want to live good, happy lives like the rest of us. your possibly right. round my parts its still predominantly white british so it will be a while yet before we have much contact with people from the islamic world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 The Guardian online, someone saying he was held hostage by isis and they fear our unity more than our airstrikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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