Bunnski Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 The world order will be well happy with how tonight has panned out, more fear for us = more control for them,.or else it's all just mayhem, I dunno anymore but I care a lot and dunno wtf to think and am extremely worried, this shit is **** up... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 1 minute ago, Arj Guy said: Going back a thousand years for a major Christian atrocity. Wow. For every 1 Christian, Jewish or anyother religious based atrocity there are hundreds and hundreds of Islamic ones. Islamic terrorism is just the current 'flavour of the month'. It has nothing to do with the religion itself, just the circumstances of where the current problems are in the world at the moment. Roll back 30 years and everyone was worrying about catholic terrorism. Who knows which cause will be next.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momo Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Just now, kurtsimonw said: I wasn't saying "Why France?" I was actually saying why do French/British/etc. born Muslims fight with ISIS? They aren't from the middle east, their country hasn't been invaded, they've lost no war. They associate with ISIS through religion and only religion. ISIS is also obviously a very religious driven group, it's all very much about their faith and little else. Actually, it is both born and converted Muslims. I can't answer your questions. But reading a bit, some of them feel as I stated marginalized, way down the social pecking order in the country they live in, others might feel the strict rules of ISIS appeals to them, others have a previous life as criminals and think that they wash their sins, others reach out to wrong communities and gets brain washed. But, I am talking about ISIS being an issue, not Muslims. There is a difference and I appreciate if people could stop mixing religion and a group that has risen from almost nowhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arj Guy Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 To this day, not a week goes by that Islamic fundamentalists do not attempt to kill Christians, Jews, Hindus and Buddhists explicitly in the name of Allah. None of these other religions are at war with each other. Coincidence? I think not 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arj Guy Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 6 minutes ago, LondonLax said: Islamic terrorism is just the current 'flavour of the month'. It has nothing to do with the religion itself, just the circumstances of where the current problems are in the world at the moment. Roll back 30 years and everyone was worrying about catholic terrorism. Who knows which cause will be next.. Couldn't be further from the truth. Read the Quran, read about the life of Muhammad. The foundations of Islam are atrocious. Extreme Islamic violence has been taking place for generations 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momo Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 4 minutes ago, Arj Guy said: Going back a thousand years for a major Christian based atrocity. Wow. For every 1 Christian, Jewish or anyother religious based atrocity there are hundreds and hundreds of Islamic ones. A Swedish guy went into a school and killed students who looked ethnically not Swedish: 6th October 2015. Umpqua Community College, USA: 1st October 2015. Gunman identified as Chris Harper Mercer, a 26-year-old local man Suspect said to have been born in England before moving to the US University Courtyard Apartments, USA: October 10th 2015 Northern Arizona University, USA: October 10th 2015 Grand 16 movie theater in Lafayette, USA: 2015 Burning down several housing for asylums seekers in Sweden: October 2015. Burning down housing for asylums seekers in Norway: October 2015. The shootings at a black church in the USA in 2015. And many more. I got tired of doing the research. Just went one month back. There are plenty of killing, terror, shit all over the world that has nothing to do with Islam. But, if these ethnically white people kill innocent people without a cause, imagine what they would do if some foreign country invaded their own country? Nothing is as black and white as some people here makes it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momo Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 19 minutes ago, Arj Guy said: To this day, not a week goes by that Islamic fundamentalists do not attempt to kill Christians, Jews, Hindus and Buddhists explicitly in the name of Allah. None of these other religions are at war with each other. Coincidence? I think not You have selective memory. Muslims are attacked all over the world. Their crime is that they are Muslims. Fanatic Buddhist attempt to kill Muslims every week. In the name of...Buddha??? And I am sorry, but I could not make a quote with the new system. Why are Buddhist monks attacking Muslims? In today's Magazine Of all the moral precepts instilled in Buddhist monks the promise not to kill comes first, and the principle of non-violence is arguably more central to Buddhism than any other major religion. So why have monks been using hate speech against Muslims and joining mobs that have left dozens dead? This is happening in two countries separated by well over 1,000 miles of Indian Ocean - Burma and Sri Lanka. It is puzzling because neither country is facing an Islamist militant threat. Muslims in both places are a generally peaceable and small minority. In Sri Lanka, the issue of halal slaughter has been a flashpoint. Led by monks, members of the Bodu Bala Sena - the Buddhist Brigade - hold rallies, call for direct action and the boycotting of Muslim businesses, and rail against the size of Muslim families. While no Muslims have been killed in Sri Lanka, the Burmese situation is far more serious. Here the antagonism is spearheaded by the 969 group, led by a monk, Ashin Wirathu, who was jailed in 2003 for inciting religious hatred. Released in 2012, he has referred to himself bizarrely as "the Burmese Bin Laden". Buddhism and non-violence Buddhist teachings were handed down orally and not written until centuries after the Buddha's lifetime. The principle of non-violence is intrinsic to the doctrine, as stressed in the Dhammapada, a collection of sayings attributed to the Buddha. Its first verse teaches that a person is made up of the sum of his thoughts: "If a man speaks or acts with an evil thought, pain follows him, as the wheel follows the foot of the ox that draws the carriage." The most basic principles of Buddhist morality are expressed in five precepts, which monks are obliged - and laymen encouraged - to follow. The first is to abstain from killing living creatures. One objective of Buddhist meditation is to produce a state of "loving kindness" for all beings. Verse five of the Dhammapada tells us that: "Hatred does not cease by hatred at any time: hatred ceases by love, this is an eternal rule." March saw an outbreak of mob violence directed against Muslims in the town of Meiktila, in central Burma, which left at least 40 dead. Tellingly, the violence began in a gold shop. The movements in both countries exploit a sense of economic grievance - a religious minority is used as the scapegoat for the frustrated aspirations of the majority. On Tuesday, Buddhist mobs attacked mosques and burned more than 70 homes in Oakkan, north of Rangoon, after a Muslim girl on a bicycle collided with a monk. One person died and nine were injured. But aren't Buddhist monks meant to be the good guys of religion? Aggressive thoughts are inimical to all Buddhist teachings. Buddhism even comes equipped with a practical way to eliminate them. Through meditation the distinction between your feelings and those of others should begin to dissolve, while your compassion for all living things grows. Of course, there is a strong strain of pacifism in Christian teachings too: "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you," were the words of Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount. But however any religion starts out, sooner or later it enters into a Faustian pact with state power. Buddhist monks looked to kings, the ultimate wielders of violence, for the support, patronage and order that only they could provide. Kings looked to monks to provide the popular legitimacy that only such a high moral vision can confer. The result can seem ironic. If you have a strong sense of the overriding moral superiority of your worldview, then the need to protect and advance it can seem the most important duty of all. Christian crusaders, Islamist militants, or the leaders of "freedom-loving nations", all justify what they see as necessary violence in the name of a higher good. Buddhist rulers and monks have been no exception. So, historically, Buddhism has been no more a religion of peace than Christianity. One of the most famous kings in Sri Lankan history is Dutugamanu, whose unification of the island in the 2nd Century BC is related in an important chronicle, the Mahavamsa. It says that he placed a Buddhist relic in his spear and took 500 monks with him along to war against a non-Buddhist king. More on monks and violence The BBC's Charles Haviland on how hardline Buddhists target Sri Lanka's Muslim minority The origins of Burma's religious and communal tensions explained in a Q&A "Burmese bin Laden", Wirathu, tells the Guardian he's just protecting his people US magazine The Nation on the historical and political background to Buddhist violence He destroyed his opponents. After the bloodshed, some enlightened ones consoled him that the slain "were like animals; you will make the Buddha's faith shine". Burmese rulers, known as "kings of righteousness", justified wars in the name of what they called true Buddhist doctrine. In Japan, many samurai were devotees of Zen Buddhism and various arguments sustained them - killing a man about to commit a dreadful crime was an act of compassion, for example. Such reasoning surfaced again when Japan mobilised for World War II. Buddhism took a leading role in the nationalist movements that emerged as Burma and Sri Lanka sought to throw off the yoke of the British Empire. Occasionally this spilled out into violence. In 1930s Rangoon, amid resorts to direct action, monks knifed four Europeans. More importantly, many came to feel Buddhism was integral to their national identity - and the position of minorities in these newly independent nations was an uncomfortable one. In 1983, Sri Lanka's ethnic tensions broke out into civil war. Following anti-Tamil pogroms, separatist Tamil groups in the north and east of the island sought to break away from the Sinhalese majority government. During the war, the worst violence against Sri Lankan Muslims came at the hands of the Tamil rebels. But after the fighting came to a bloody end with the defeat of the rebels in 2009, it seems that majority communal passions have found a new target in the Muslim minority. In Burma, monks wielded their moral authority to challenge the military junta and argue for democracy in the Saffron Revolution of 2007. Peaceful protest was the main weapon of choice this time, and monks paid with their lives. Now some monks are using their moral authority to serve a quite different end. They may be a minority, but the 500,000-strong monkhood, which includes many deposited in monasteries as children to escape poverty or as orphans, certainly has its fair share of angry young men. The exact nature of the relationship between the Buddhist extremists and the ruling parties in both countries is unclear. Sri Lanka's powerful Defence Secretary Gotabhaya Rajapaksa was guest of honour at the opening of a Buddhist Brigade training school, and referred to the monks as those who "protect our country, religion and race". But the anti-Muslim message seems to have struck a chord with parts of the population. Even though they form a majority in both countries, many Buddhists share a sense that their nations must be unified and that their religion is under threat. The global climate is crucial. People believe radical Islam to be at the centre of the many of the most violent conflicts around the world. They feel they are at the receiving end of conversion drives by the much more evangelical monotheistic faiths. And they feel that if other religions are going to get tough, they had better follow suit. Alan Strathern is a fellow in History at Brasenose College, Oxford and author of Kingship and Conversion in Sixteenth-Century Sri Lanka: Portuguese Imperialism in a Buddhist Land BBC 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Feel sick waking up to this. Bunch of rocket polishers. Almost impossible to stop this kind of thing really, just hope the death toll doesn't rise too high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted November 14, 2015 Moderator Share Posted November 14, 2015 1 minute ago, sharkyvilla said: Feel sick waking up to this. Bunch of rocket polishers. Almost impossible to stop this kind of thing really, just hope the death toll doesn't rise too high. It already has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Yeah sorry, poor choice of words (as was using 'rocket polishers'). Just so, so sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Wainy316 Posted November 14, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted November 14, 2015 Comparing religions is misguided really. You're going to get stuff like this when people blindly follow texts from 2000 years ago written by a bunch of charlatans purporting to be writing the word some man that lives in the sky. This man apparently owns us and we must sacrifice our natural urges and personal pleasures to please him (what an ego maniac) Islam, Christianity, Judaism all have some pretty disgraceful stuff in their texts that some people interpret literally today. The only way for a progressive future is to try and educate these mind sets out of people. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Religion is also used as a tool to round up the masses for political gain. In that sense it's not much difference from a flag. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted November 14, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted November 14, 2015 This has not nothing to do with any religion, its about evil people doing what they do. All sides have a part to play when the finger on blame is pointed , when a country is destabilised history shows the darker powers amongst us have a habit of having their way. Vive la France ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Went to bed early last night, can't believe what I'm waking up too. Just can't take it in at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meath_Villan Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 World's **** up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rugeley Villa Posted November 14, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted November 14, 2015 gobsmacked but not surprised and anyone that thinks this has nothing to do with islam is seriously deluded. absolutely tragic. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 1 hour ago, Wainy316 said: Comparing religions is misguided really. You're going to get stuff like this when people blindly follow texts from 2000 years ago written by a bunch of charlatans purporting to be writing the word some man that lives in the sky. This man apparently owns us and we must sacrifice our natural urges and personal pleasures to please him (what an ego maniac) Islam, Christianity, Judaism all have some pretty disgraceful stuff in their texts that some people interpret literally today. The only way for a progressive future is to try and educate these mind sets out of people. You have zero chance of educating these people. They are delusional to the extreme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Awol Posted November 14, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted November 14, 2015 8 hours ago, Awol said: In the Grand Mosque, Mecca Worth two minutes to watch the link and remind yourself where this evil stems from. I'm reposting this from earlier in the thread for the people who are insisting that religion plays no part in these type of attacks. It is a translation of and commentary on a recent speech being given to the faithful in Mecca's Grand Mosque, the holiest site in Islam. In it the Imam prays for the success of Sunni Jihadis everywhere and calls on God for the death of Shia Muslims, Jews and Christians. This is the equivalent of the Pope standing up in St Paul's Cathedral and calling on God to rain death on everyone who isn't a member of Opus Dei. I'm not demonising individual Muslims or the Islamic faith, simply pointing out that the religious extremism practiced in mainstream Saudi Arabia directly contradicts this repeated and demonstrably false assertion that Islamic terrorism and the Islamic faith have no correlation whatsoever. When trying to figure out how to address a problem it isn't helpful to deny that the problem exists, even when presented with prima facie evidence that it does. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 (edited) 8 hours ago, TheAuthority said: Donald Trump on Twitter. "Isn't it interesting that the tragedy in Paris took place in one of the toughest gun control countries in the world?" November 12 Oregon Portland North Bruce Avenue 1 View Incident View Source November 12 Tennessee McDonald 100 block of Clear Lake Road 2 View Incident View Source November 12 Illinois Springfield (Jerome) 1100 block of West Maple South 1 View Incident View Source November 12 New York Bronx 363 East 171st Street 1 View Incident View Source November 12 Massachusetts Milford Route 85 1 View Incident View Source November 12 New York Corona (Queens) 103-26 115th 1 View Incident View Source November 12 Indiana Marion 3400 block of South Nebraska Street. 1 View Incident View Source November 12 Illinois Chicago 4400 block of West Monroe Street 1 View Incident View Source November 12 District of Columbia Washington 5300 block of Clay Terrance 1 View Incident View Source November 12 California Oakland 600 block of 18th Street 1 View Incident View Source November 12 California Los Angeles 1100 block of 55th Street 2 View Incident View Source November 12 Florida Ocala 514 Northeast 56th Court 2 View Incident View Source November 12 Maryland Baltimore 4000 block of Belwood Avenue 1 View Incident View Source November 12 Texas Fort Worth (Watauga) 7000 block of Whitley Road 1 View Incident View Source November 12 Texas Austin 1600 block of Matthews Lane 1 View Incident View Source Edited November 14, 2015 by Xann 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 46 minutes ago, tinker said: This has not nothing to do with any religion, its about evil people doing what they do. All sides have a part to play when the finger on blame is pointed , when a country is destabilised history shows the darker powers amongst us have a habit of having their way. Vive la France ! It has everything to do with religion. ISIS are behind this. Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, the clue is in their title. They are driven by their religious beliefs based on their twisted interpretation of an ancient text which is on a par with the bible for the most amount of bollocks crammed into one book. I have read the old testament, the new testament and the Quran and for the life of me cannot fathom why anybody of sound mind would try and live their lives basing their values on the utter horseshit that is spouted in those texts. You can find much better books in the fiction section of all good book shops 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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