Chindie Posted November 14, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted November 14, 2015 I'd be a little cautious with whoever any taken alive claim to be allied with. The nature of the beast is such that they can claim to do something under the banner of whatever group, it doesn't necessarily mean they actually had any real contact with them. They just buy into the brand. If it is sometime with genuine links to ISIS, or the like, that can be shown, then that raises more interesting questions than some word removed claiming glory under a banner they want to be associated with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 1500 attended the concert, suggestions of 140 dead, so far, surely going to rise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 (edited) 10 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: Do we know this yet? Or are you making a wild assumption? Even if they are Muslims, does that make it right to condemn Islam as a religion because of a few idiots? (again, in the grand scheme of things, it is a few idiots committing these vile acts) Even if not 'wild' it's still an assumption. Even so, see point B. The refugee camp in Calais being set alight in 'revenge' is just ridiculous. None of those people did anything wrong. Some proper words removed in the world, regardless of religion. Edited November 14, 2015 by StefanAVFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 9 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Suspect arrested, apparently claiming to be from isis My balls must be crystal rather than hairy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 (edited) 5 minutes ago, troon_villan said: Christ what's this now?? https://twitter.com/search?q=calais%20jungle&src=typd Turns out to be bullshit apparently some tool rehashing an old story Edited November 14, 2015 by AshVilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 1 minute ago, av1 said: My balls must be crystal rather than hairy. You're right then. Muslims are evil. Islam is evil. 6 million Muslims in France. As ChrisP said, shall we get them under house arrest now? Or just deport them in the morning? Nonsense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 As impractical and impossible as it would be to just shut off borders of a number of European countries, I do wonder what effect it would actually have. It sounds crazy in this day and age to say 'our airports will no longer fly to countries W,X,Y&Z', but I do wonder what effect it could have on terrorist activity. As you said Trent, terrorists are often already in the country they plan to attack, and I imagine a great deal of educating (brainwashing) happens online, but there also must be a decent percentage of people who travel with the sole intent to terrorise as well. Obviously isolating select countries with 'no fly routes' would ultimately be pointing the finger, but if terrorism gets worse and worse, I would be in favour of just stopping all passenger flights to all destinations. I'm sure people would cope without their holidays for a few years, if it allowed countries to try to get a handle on their resident terrorists before tackling outside threats. (I know it's pie-in-the-sky, but I'm just thinking out loud, before some smart arse proves to me why it couldn't happen). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted November 14, 2015 Moderator Share Posted November 14, 2015 1 minute ago, Rob182 said: As impractical and impossible as it would be to just shut off borders of a number of European countries, I do wonder what effect it would actually have. It sounds crazy in this day and age to say 'our airports will no longer fly to countries W,X,Y&Z', but I do wonder what effect it could have on terrorist activity. As you said Trent, terrorists are often already in the country they plan to attack, and I imagine a great deal of educating (brainwashing) happens online, but there also must be a decent percentage of people who travel with the sole intent to terrorise as well. Obviously isolating select countries with 'no fly routes' would ultimately be pointing the finger, but if terrorism gets worse and worse, I would be in favour of just stopping all passenger flights to all destinations. I'm sure people would cope without their holidays for a few years, if it allowed countries to try to get a handle on their resident terrorists before tackling outside threats. (I know it's pie-in-the-sky, but I'm just thinking out loud, before some smart arse proves to me why it couldn't happen). Even if you close ports and airports borders aren't closed particularly in Europe its completely impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 They can't just close the borders in europe though can they Freedom of movement is one of the very principles the EU is built on is it not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 5 minutes ago, av1 said: Its generally excepted that these "few idiot's" receive huge backing from Saudi Arabia, it is not a "few idiot's" In the Grand Mosque, Mecca Worth two minutes to watch the link and remind yourself where this evil stems from. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troon_villan Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Wish Tapatalk implemented the ignore function. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 3 minutes ago, AshVilla said: https://twitter.com/search?q=calais%20jungle&src=typd Turns out to be bullshit apparently some tool rehashing an old story you should tell the beeb, they just ran with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MikeMcKenna Posted November 14, 2015 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted November 14, 2015 12 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: I don't see what we do with that piece of information though? There are about 5,000,000 muslims in France. Do we refine that down to just dealing with murderous nutters, or do we put 5,000,000 under house arrest or ship them all out to Sudan? We never shipped all the Irish out during the pub bombings, I think we just tried to find the bad guys. Same here, find the psychos and give them their martyrdom. But there are still parallels. Despite losing Irish friends in the Birmingham bombings, I was beaten up as I was born in Ireland, despite being as much a "Brummie" as my attackers. My father and other Irish guys had to take two/three weeks off work. Many other friends of Irish descent were attacked. None of us ever had any connection with any republican politics. As 21 year old at the time of my beating I could easily have been "radicalised" Terrorists aim to spread hatred and division. The Islamic fundamentalist murderers know that these types of attacks will result in more division and discrimination against Muslims. This helps them to radicalise and recruit more future terrorists. They are winning and the West hasn't got a clue what to do about it. :-( 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted November 14, 2015 Moderator Share Posted November 14, 2015 1 minute ago, Awol said: In the Grand Mosque, Mecca Worth two minutes to watch the link and remind yourself where this evil stems from. I wonder what happens to all those weapons we sell them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Just finished work and was in a good mood. I now feel so depressed. Sick, fed up. **** off world innocent people enjoying the end of a week killed. Sick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 3 minutes ago, TrentVilla said: I wonder what happens to all those weapons we sell them... Being used to murder civilians in Yemen, mostly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 They can't just close the borders in europe though can they Freedom of movement is one of the very principles the EU is built on is it not I'll wait for a better solution then. I'm all ears. I hope something dramatic happens, because the way things are going, I fear that London or another British city could be one of the next to fall victim to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted November 14, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted November 14, 2015 10 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted November 14, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted November 14, 2015 Sorry Stefan didn't mean to quote you. How is it so broken? How on earth do they get guns and explosives into a gig? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 7 minutes ago, MikeMcKenna said: Terrorists aim to spread hatred and division. The Islamic fundamentalist murderers know that these types of attacks will result in more division and discrimination against Muslims. This helps them to radicalise and recruit more future terrorists. They are winning and the West hasn't got a clue what to do about it. :-( I was about to post something very similar but you said it better. Spot on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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