Guest av1 Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 2 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: To people blaming refugees for attacks in Paris tonight. Do you not realise these are the people the refugees are trying to run away from? Innocents getting killed is repulsive, no matter if the dead are people in Paris, Gaza or Afghanistan. You cant cherry pick your humanity. Refugees are not responsible. Muslims are not responsible. Terrorists are responsible & it's them the problem lies with, not innocent people. 3 very, very good tweets that appeared on my timeline. So even if they are Muslim fighters smuggled in with refugees, we can't say we have a problem with Muslims, nor refugees, they are just terrorists. You can't talk of cherry picking and then come out with crap like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Shooters X2 dead at the theatre, that one is over. Very good work by the French assault team. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troon_villan Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 4 minutes ago, troon_villan said: Eagles of Death Metal reps just issued a Facebook. They are still trying to locate the band and crew..**** Wow... Edit - somehow quoted my own post!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 2 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: Refugees fleeing war and persecution also do not fit neatly into our society. You know a few refugees then? Massive generalisation yet again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCU Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 1 minute ago, PieFacE said: Sorry for the above post. The quoting sytem beat me. It's so bad. Surely the Euros cant take place in France after this? You'd think it would be a target for this type of attack. I know if they do move it the terrorists are kinda winning by instilling fear into the public, but surely safety comes first? I wonder if Josh Homme is with EODM? Josh Homme is with them yes.. guessing the whole band and crew have been taken hostage too then.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted November 13, 2015 Moderator Share Posted November 13, 2015 1 minute ago, av1 said: So even if they are Muslim fighters smuggled in with refugees, we can't say we have a problem with Muslims, nor refugees, they are just terrorists. You can't talk of cherry picking and then come out with crap like this. As has been pointed out multiple times, there is as yet nothing to suggest the events this evening have anything to do with refugees or fighters smuggled in with refugees. Only wild assumptions. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCU Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 1 minute ago, troon_villan said: What? At the FB post - not you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted November 13, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted November 13, 2015 Just now, Warnock said: Josh Homme is with them yes.. guessing the whole band and crew have been taken hostage too then.. **** :( 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted November 13, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted November 13, 2015 5 minutes ago, av1 said: I worded that badly. I don't know WHO is responsible, but I think we all know that these are muslim fighters. I don't see what we do with that piece of information though? There are about 5,000,000 muslims in France. Do we refine that down to just dealing with murderous nutters, or do we put 5,000,000 under house arrest or ship them all out to Sudan? We never shipped all the Irish out during the pub bombings, I think we just tried to find the bad guys. Same here, find the psychos and give them their martyrdom. Very well put, good analogy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 3 minutes ago, av1 said: So even if they are Muslim fighters smuggled in with refugees, we can't say we have a problem with Muslims, nor refugees, they are just terrorists. You can't talk of cherry picking and then come out with crap like this. Well, you can. As Mooney said, it's like blaming every single person from Birmingham if a few Brummies shot somebody. The proportions are similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Some of the reactions in here are as favourable as some match threads (i.e. Not very) (this bracket is for you Donald) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 2 minutes ago, TrentVilla said: As has been pointed out multiple times, there is as yet nothing to suggest the events this evening have anything to do with refugees or fighters smuggled in with refugees. Only wild assumptions. And this. It suits people's political views to already place blame on people based on assumptions. Lets wait and see before blaming Islam or refugees or whoever is next eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troon_villan Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 1 minute ago, troon_villan said: What? At the FB post - not you. I didn't even mean to quote that mate, sorry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Disgusting scenes on SkyNews, showing live scenes from French television after the two gunmen had been killed and the hostages released. The pictures shown were just body after body after body carried into a van. It's another sad day, and no doubt terrorists will think they are winning. With France closing their borders, I started to wonder whether more countries should just close their borders too. Obviously it's not a long-term solution, but if you stop the extremists arriving then you're stopping one cause, at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gharperr Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 4 minutes ago, PieFacE said: **** :( Ryan J. Downey– @superherohq We've just confirmed w/ a rep Josh Homme is NOT w/ Eagles of Death Metal in Paris. Hostage count now reportedly 100: http://www.altpress.com/news/entry/60_held_hostage_at_eagles_of_death_metal_show_in_paris … 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regular_john Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 3 minutes ago, PieFacE said: **** :( Josh Homme doesn't travel with EODM, he only does the albums. The rest of the band are safe apparently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted November 14, 2015 Moderator Share Posted November 14, 2015 1 minute ago, Rob182 said: With France closing their borders, I started to wonder whether more countries should just close their borders too. Obviously it's not a long-term solution, but if you stop the extremists arriving then you're stopping one cause, at least. Once again this assumes the extremists are imported, they may well be home grown as they were in London. In this day and age countries closing borders is simply as impractical as it is impossible. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 So it sounds like there are at least 6 different incidents, including two suicide bombings, another explosion at a bar, the restaurant shooting, the theatre siege and a shooting at a shopping centre. Only two terrorists confirmed down so quite possibly still active shooters somewhere in Paris. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 I know Trent, I said it could stop 'one cause', not all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Maybe we cant even blame a terrorist until we have sure facts its was terrorism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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