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Tbf modern shopping centres are pretty barbaric.

 

Yet we see Saudi as a friend and ally.  Hypocrite warning.

1) they have huge oil reserves

2) they like buying our weaponry

3) they own the bits of London the Russians don't own

Of course they are our friends

 

They are quite happy to work with us to overproduce oil in order to force down the price and create a global market that pushes Russia into a recession as a means to ensure the continued expansion of NATO to the east through Ukraine?

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Maybe not the right thread but I see Tony Blair has been speaking at a republican conference and said that the majority of the Muslims in the world support Islamic Extremisim.

 

Is this the guy widely regarded as being a war criminal and advisor to some of the worlds most vicious dictators/leaders?

 

Some more on Bliar:

 

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Farcebook would seem to be awash with conspiracy stories about the French policeman who was shot at point blank range.  The fact that apparently there isn't any blood to be seen means that it's up there with the Sept 11 non-plane attack.

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Farcebook would seem to be awash with conspiracy stories about the French policeman who was shot at point blank range.  The fact that apparently there isn't any blood to be seen means that it's up there with the Sept 11 non-plane attack.

I saw one today.  It is baffling how anyone can believe that.

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Maybe not the right thread but I see Tony Blair has been speaking at a republican conference and said that the majority of the Muslims in the world support Islamic Extremisim.

Is this the guy widely regarded as being a war criminal and advisor to some of the worlds most vicious dictators/leaders?

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Always handy when the Middle East peace envoy can remain impartial :)

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Farcebook would seem to be awash with conspiracy stories about the French policeman who was shot at point blank range. The fact that apparently there isn't any blood to be seen means that it's up there with the Sept 11 non-plane attack.

I've seen the video and I agree with the sentiment he wasn't shot in the head. He had, however, been shot several times previously, which I have no doubt actually killed him.

In this case I think scoop porn caused all the media outlets to err, thinking they saw a guy shot in the head, and by the time someone noticed he hadn't been they'd made too big of a deal of it and couldn't turn back. Because, you know, the murder of 12 people wasn't bad enough for them to milk on its own

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I wouldn't say that anybody suggesting the majority of Muslims support Islamic Extremism is barking up the right tree. However, there is a sizeable minority.

 

3% of Egyptians support ISIS, which doesn't sound like too many, until you realise that equates to 1.5 million people, which is a worrying amount. 5% of Saudi's is over half a million.

 

That's enough people to cause one or two headaches.

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it would be interesting to see how you could extrap the findings of a survey:

 

should we just bomb the **** out of all the middle east and be done with it?

 

get that question answered by a few hundred people on the streets of Paris, New York, London and Brussels and see what % of 'the west' want armageddon

 

if it comes out as 0.05% that'll be quite a lot

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it would be interesting to see how you could extrap the findings of a survey:

should we just bomb the **** out of all the middle east and be done with it?

get that question answered by a few hundred people on the streets of Paris, New York, London and Brussels and see what % of 'the west' want armageddon

if it comes out as 0.05% that'll be quite a lot

A good point well made. But how many of that 0.05% could or would actually do anything about it? Are they going to go to Mecca and blow themselves up in front of the Kaaba?

Whereas there does seem to be an inexhaustible supply of jihadist nutters, sufficient to keep causing mayhem for years to come.

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it would be interesting to see how you could extrap the findings of a survey:

 

should we just bomb the **** out of all the middle east and be done with it?

 

get that question answered by a few hundred people on the streets of Paris, New York, London and Brussels and see what % of 'the west' want armageddon

 

if it comes out as 0.05% that'll be quite a lot

 

I fear that it would come out at about 30%.

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it would be interesting to see how you could extrap the findings of a survey:

 

should we just bomb the **** out of all the middle east and be done with it?

 

get that question answered by a few hundred people on the streets of Paris, New York, London and Brussels and see what % of 'the west' want armageddon

 

if it comes out as 0.05% that'll be quite a lot

 

I fear that it would come out at about 30%.

 

I fear that it would come out at about 80%!

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it would be interesting to see how you could extrap the findings of a survey:

 

should we just bomb the **** out of all the middle east and be done with it?

 

get that question answered by a few hundred people on the streets of Paris, New York, London and Brussels and see what % of 'the west' want armageddon

 

if it comes out as 0.05% that'll be quite a lot

 

 

I once saw a survey that polled a few nations people asking the Question  "Are military attacks on civilians sometimes justified"

 

wont surprise you to know America came top with 49%  .. think Israel were second with 43%

 

which surprised me as I thought they were one and the same 

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I wouldn't say that anybody suggesting the majority of Muslims support Islamic Extremism is barking up the right tree. However, there is a sizeable minority.

 

3% of Egyptians support ISIS, which doesn't sound like too many, until you realise that equates to 1.5 million people, which is a worrying amount. 5% of Saudi's is over half a million.

 

That's enough people to cause one or two headaches.

Support is an interesting word here too - if you ask the population of the UK if they supported the war in Iraq, then (at the time) you'd probably have found 30-40% of the population would have said yes - but if you'd asked them if they were prepared to go over and join in then I'm guessing you'd be down to very very small percentage pretty quickly. Of those 1.5m Egyptians, I would be surprised if very many were willing to take up arms.

 

One thing though, I wonder if women were able to vote in a poll in Egypt and if so, I'm presuming that they wouldn't vote in favour of ISIS, so maybe it's 6% of the male population.

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it would be interesting to see how you could extrap the findings of a survey:

should we just bomb the **** out of all the middle east and be done with it?

get that question answered by a few hundred people on the streets of Paris, New York, London and Brussels and see what % of 'the west' want armageddon

if it comes out as 0.05% that'll be quite a lot

A good point well made. But how many of that 0.05% could or would actually do anything about it? Are they going to go to Mecca and blow themselves up in front of the Kaaba?

Whereas there does seem to be an inexhaustible supply of jihadist nutters, sufficient to keep causing mayhem for years to come.

 

 

Yes that is very true also.

Some would argue we've sent quite a few of our young over there to fight, it's just that we are more organised and legitimate (I wouldn't be so crass, but it is an easy accusation).

 

You could also argue that europe has set itself up as more of a service provider and the poorer countries are cheap labour. It'll be interesting to see the nationality of the known member of the Belgian criminal underworld that sold them automatic rifles and a rocket launcher for £3,900. He says he hadn't realised they would be used in a jihadist attack, he thought the Kouachi brothers were just good old crims.

 

But yes, I agree with your point.  

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As AJ Rimmer might say...one down

 

http://sputniknews.com/news/20150117/1017017088.html

 

 

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10:00 17.01.2015 (updated 18:13 17.01.2015)
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A Moroccan man has been killed in southern France in an apparent Islamophobic attack.
MOSCOW, January 17 (Sputnik) — Mohamed El Makouli died near the French city of Avignon on Wednesday, when an attacker rushed into the victim's house in the village of Beaucet, shouting “I am your god, I am your Islam” before stabbing the man 17 times, the National Observatory Against Islamophobia said, according to the AFP news agency.

Avignon prosecutors have already charged the 28-year-old assailant with "murder, attempted murder and possession of drugs."

"The Islamophobic aspect will be investigated when we interview this boy who claims to have heard voices," a spokesman said.

National Observatory Against Islamophobia head Abdallah Zekri, for his part, condemned the assault "as a horrible Islamophobic attack," which came just a week after France was stunned by the Charlie Hebdo killings.

Meanwhile, French Justice Minister Christiane Taubira has said that the government is considering tightening laws against racism and anti-Semitism.

Additionally, the government is seeking to give the authorities powers to block Internet hate sites "as already happens with ones that carry child pornography," Taubira said.

The past seven days have seen at least 50 anti-Muslim incidents including attacks on mosques in France, according to the country’s Central Council of Muslims.

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The "who started it, anyway" debate has now become irrelevant. The world is now locked in a downward spiral of senseless tribal warfare. Innocent Christians and atheists get killed because of the US military, innocent Muslims get killed because of the jihadists, innocent Jews get killed because of Israel. It's completely insane, but nothing is going to stop it any time soon.

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yes it's a bit of a weird one. Surely anti islamophobia would seem t be more pertinent at this moment. Not that one can't do both obviously. 

 

Do suspect there might be a bit of trouble around the 27th though ( holocaust memorial day)

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