OutByEaster? Posted January 15, 2015 Moderator Share Posted January 15, 2015 Tbf modern shopping centres are pretty barbaric. Yet we see Saudi as a friend and ally. Hypocrite warning. 1) they have huge oil reserves 2) they like buying our weaponry 3) they own the bits of London the Russians don't own Of course they are our friends They are quite happy to work with us to overproduce oil in order to force down the price and create a global market that pushes Russia into a recession as a means to ensure the continued expansion of NATO to the east through Ukraine? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Maybe not the right thread but I see Tony Blair has been speaking at a republican conference and said that the majority of the Muslims in the world support Islamic Extremisim. Is this the guy widely regarded as being a war criminal and advisor to some of the worlds most vicious dictators/leaders? Some more on Bliar: 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Farcebook would seem to be awash with conspiracy stories about the French policeman who was shot at point blank range. The fact that apparently there isn't any blood to be seen means that it's up there with the Sept 11 non-plane attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Farcebook would seem to be awash with conspiracy stories about the French policeman who was shot at point blank range. The fact that apparently there isn't any blood to be seen means that it's up there with the Sept 11 non-plane attack. I saw one today. It is baffling how anyone can believe that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Maybe not the right thread but I see Tony Blair has been speaking at a republican conference and said that the majority of the Muslims in the world support Islamic Extremisim. Is this the guy widely regarded as being a war criminal and advisor to some of the worlds most vicious dictators/leaders? Some more on Bliar: Always handy when the Middle East peace envoy can remain impartial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tonyh29 Posted January 16, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2015 A guy from work has just shown me the UK version, of the current edition Charlie Hebdo is selling on ebay for £100k a copy! Madness!! I don't think they should be thinking about prophet at a time like this. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3te Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 (edited) Farcebook would seem to be awash with conspiracy stories about the French policeman who was shot at point blank range. The fact that apparently there isn't any blood to be seen means that it's up there with the Sept 11 non-plane attack. I've seen the video and I agree with the sentiment he wasn't shot in the head. He had, however, been shot several times previously, which I have no doubt actually killed him. In this case I think scoop porn caused all the media outlets to err, thinking they saw a guy shot in the head, and by the time someone noticed he hadn't been they'd made too big of a deal of it and couldn't turn back. Because, you know, the murder of 12 people wasn't bad enough for them to milk on its own Edited January 16, 2015 by P3te Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ads Posted January 16, 2015 Author Share Posted January 16, 2015 I wouldn't say that anybody suggesting the majority of Muslims support Islamic Extremism is barking up the right tree. However, there is a sizeable minority. 3% of Egyptians support ISIS, which doesn't sound like too many, until you realise that equates to 1.5 million people, which is a worrying amount. 5% of Saudi's is over half a million. That's enough people to cause one or two headaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 I guess the first thing we have to decide is whether we trust surveys of perhaps a few thousand people to represent the views of tens of millions ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 it would be interesting to see how you could extrap the findings of a survey: should we just bomb the **** out of all the middle east and be done with it? get that question answered by a few hundred people on the streets of Paris, New York, London and Brussels and see what % of 'the west' want armageddon if it comes out as 0.05% that'll be quite a lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted January 16, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted January 16, 2015 it would be interesting to see how you could extrap the findings of a survey: should we just bomb the **** out of all the middle east and be done with it? get that question answered by a few hundred people on the streets of Paris, New York, London and Brussels and see what % of 'the west' want armageddon if it comes out as 0.05% that'll be quite a lot A good point well made. But how many of that 0.05% could or would actually do anything about it? Are they going to go to Mecca and blow themselves up in front of the Kaaba? Whereas there does seem to be an inexhaustible supply of jihadist nutters, sufficient to keep causing mayhem for years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 it would be interesting to see how you could extrap the findings of a survey: should we just bomb the **** out of all the middle east and be done with it? get that question answered by a few hundred people on the streets of Paris, New York, London and Brussels and see what % of 'the west' want armageddon if it comes out as 0.05% that'll be quite a lot I fear that it would come out at about 30%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted January 16, 2015 Moderator Share Posted January 16, 2015 it would be interesting to see how you could extrap the findings of a survey: should we just bomb the **** out of all the middle east and be done with it? get that question answered by a few hundred people on the streets of Paris, New York, London and Brussels and see what % of 'the west' want armageddon if it comes out as 0.05% that'll be quite a lot I fear that it would come out at about 30%. I fear that it would come out at about 80%! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 it would be interesting to see how you could extrap the findings of a survey: should we just bomb the **** out of all the middle east and be done with it? get that question answered by a few hundred people on the streets of Paris, New York, London and Brussels and see what % of 'the west' want armageddon if it comes out as 0.05% that'll be quite a lot I once saw a survey that polled a few nations people asking the Question "Are military attacks on civilians sometimes justified" wont surprise you to know America came top with 49% .. think Israel were second with 43% which surprised me as I thought they were one and the same 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted January 16, 2015 Moderator Share Posted January 16, 2015 I wouldn't say that anybody suggesting the majority of Muslims support Islamic Extremism is barking up the right tree. However, there is a sizeable minority. 3% of Egyptians support ISIS, which doesn't sound like too many, until you realise that equates to 1.5 million people, which is a worrying amount. 5% of Saudi's is over half a million. That's enough people to cause one or two headaches. Support is an interesting word here too - if you ask the population of the UK if they supported the war in Iraq, then (at the time) you'd probably have found 30-40% of the population would have said yes - but if you'd asked them if they were prepared to go over and join in then I'm guessing you'd be down to very very small percentage pretty quickly. Of those 1.5m Egyptians, I would be surprised if very many were willing to take up arms. One thing though, I wonder if women were able to vote in a poll in Egypt and if so, I'm presuming that they wouldn't vote in favour of ISIS, so maybe it's 6% of the male population. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 it would be interesting to see how you could extrap the findings of a survey: should we just bomb the **** out of all the middle east and be done with it? get that question answered by a few hundred people on the streets of Paris, New York, London and Brussels and see what % of 'the west' want armageddon if it comes out as 0.05% that'll be quite a lot A good point well made. But how many of that 0.05% could or would actually do anything about it? Are they going to go to Mecca and blow themselves up in front of the Kaaba? Whereas there does seem to be an inexhaustible supply of jihadist nutters, sufficient to keep causing mayhem for years to come. Yes that is very true also. Some would argue we've sent quite a few of our young over there to fight, it's just that we are more organised and legitimate (I wouldn't be so crass, but it is an easy accusation). You could also argue that europe has set itself up as more of a service provider and the poorer countries are cheap labour. It'll be interesting to see the nationality of the known member of the Belgian criminal underworld that sold them automatic rifles and a rocket launcher for £3,900. He says he hadn't realised they would be used in a jihadist attack, he thought the Kouachi brothers were just good old crims. But yes, I agree with your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 As AJ Rimmer might say...one down http://sputniknews.com/news/20150117/1017017088.html News 10:00 17.01.2015 (updated 18:13 17.01.2015) 348792229 A Moroccan man has been killed in southern France in an apparent Islamophobic attack. © AP Photo/ David Vincent France's Freedom of Speech Challenged In Wake of Charlie Hebdo Attacks MOSCOW, January 17 (Sputnik) — Mohamed El Makouli died near the French city of Avignon on Wednesday, when an attacker rushed into the victim's house in the village of Beaucet, shouting “I am your god, I am your Islam” before stabbing the man 17 times, the National Observatory Against Islamophobia said, according to the AFP news agency. Avignon prosecutors have already charged the 28-year-old assailant with "murder, attempted murder and possession of drugs." "The Islamophobic aspect will be investigated when we interview this boy who claims to have heard voices," a spokesman said. National Observatory Against Islamophobia head Abdallah Zekri, for his part, condemned the assault "as a horrible Islamophobic attack," which came just a week after France was stunned by the Charlie Hebdo killings. Meanwhile, French Justice Minister Christiane Taubira has said that the government is considering tightening laws against racism and anti-Semitism. Additionally, the government is seeking to give the authorities powers to block Internet hate sites "as already happens with ones that carry child pornography," Taubira said. The past seven days have seen at least 50 anti-Muslim incidents including attacks on mosques in France, according to the country’s Central Council of Muslims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted January 18, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted January 18, 2015 The "who started it, anyway" debate has now become irrelevant. The world is now locked in a downward spiral of senseless tribal warfare. Innocent Christians and atheists get killed because of the US military, innocent Muslims get killed because of the jihadists, innocent Jews get killed because of Israel. It's completely insane, but nothing is going to stop it any time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted January 18, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted January 18, 2015 From the look of the news today, the most important subject now appears to be fighting anti-semitism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 yes it's a bit of a weird one. Surely anti islamophobia would seem t be more pertinent at this moment. Not that one can't do both obviously. Do suspect there might be a bit of trouble around the 27th though ( holocaust memorial day) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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