tomaspg Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 20 minutes ago, TrentVilla said: Horrific.... just horrific. Up to 60 killed. Not sure how on earth you guard against this sort of thing. How much can one city/country take. i dont think you can protect against things like this, there is always going to be ways for people to carry out these type of acts regardless of what measures are put in place. Checking everyone that drives a truck isnt really feasible.. The only way of getting these kinds of attacks to stop on both sides is imo only possible by changing peoples opinions regarding our enemies and making peace, unfortunatley i really dont see this happening on either side. the only thing i see nations doing is fighting the symptoms rather than the cause it self. kinda like sitting and watching someone constantly wiping snot of their face rather than just using a nasal spray once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 We're living in Hell at this point. Everything is totally out of control. So much hatred, so much violence, so much ignorance and greed. It's hard to think anything will improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted July 14, 2016 Moderator Share Posted July 14, 2016 Just now, maqroll said: We're living in Hell at this point. Everything is totally out of control. So much hatred, so much violence, so much ignorance and greed. It's hard to think anything will improve. The world does feel a little like its on the brink doesn't it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 Meanwhile it was 85F in northern Alaska yesterday...human beings are doing everything they can to bring about the ultimate collapse. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddywhack Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 For the first time ever, I've just questioned if I want to bring children into this world. I've heard people say it before, but I understand it now. The future looks so bleak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomaspg Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 2 minutes ago, Paddywhack said: For the first time ever, I've just questioned if I want to bring children into this world. I've heard people say it before, but I understand it now. The future looks so bleak. incredibly sad but completely understandable, shameful that its gone this far, without any real signs of turning things around, were in for a shitty ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 33 minutes ago, maqroll said: The driver got out of the truck and started shooting people. I saw a photo of bodies all over the street. I've seen a report that the regional president has apparently said that the incident started with gunfire from the driver before he ploughed in to the crowd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomaspg Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 5 minutes ago, snowychap said: I've seen a report that the regional president has apparently said that the incident started with gunfire from the driver before he ploughed in to the crowd. the pictures they have shown of the lorry shows the front window with several bulletholes, so when whoever was driving got shot it seems to have happened in the lorry. someone did say they were shooting though, apparently found weapons, explosives etc in the truck too, thanks god those werent used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted July 15, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted July 15, 2016 Completely unjust. The guy who has done this is dead, but has caused so much damage and misery. I am a proud brummie and I feel so sad for every muslim in Brum tonight, this has been done in the name of a warped version of their religion. It **** sucks to be let down by such murderous idiots wearing your colours. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daweii Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 This whole shit is bleak. I try to be optimistic and think the future will turn out just fine in the end, but I just don't see how.. My thoughts are with those in Nice right now and also with the Muslim community who are going to face even more unnecessary shit because of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 80 dead now... I think most European countries are going shift to a hard right defensive posture, and civil rights will be curbed. Things are really bad right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Poor people, RIP. A savage, primitive and horrifyingly effective attack. Using a single truck as a weapon created more dead bodies than 7/7, and it's almost impossible to guard against. Even with the huge and seemingly permanent police and military presence on the streets, they can't prevent this when the perpetrator is highly motivated and happy to die. The deeply worrying question is what conclusions French society will draw from the regular reinforcement of this fact. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Woke up to this news this morning, deeply shocked by this. As a father of 2 young children it breaks my heart that some children will have lost their lives at an event where they were so excitied. I'm really not sure what the answer is, but I predict in the eyes of the world leaders it will invovle dropping more bombs in the middle east. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Hollande promised more bombing in his speech last night. So more innocent people can expect to die. Why not keep the wheel spinning, right? Insanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 (edited) 6 minutes ago, maqroll said: Hollande promised more bombing in his speech last night. So more innocent people can expect to die. Why not keep the wheel spinning, right? Insanity. We're all deep in shock about 80 innocent lives lost, but it does make you wonder how many innocent people are killed in Syria, Iraq, Afgan etc on a daily basis directly from Western troops because of course this never make the news. I rember back when the Gulf War MkII kicked off and all of the Coalition troops were parked up outside Bagdad then the 'shock and awe' bombing that followed. Thousands and thousands of innocent people must have been killed. Edited July 15, 2016 by Genie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 4 minutes ago, Genie said: We're all deep in shock about 80 innocent lives lost, but it does make you wonder how many innocent people are killed in Syria, Iraq, Afgan etc on a daily basis directly from Western troops because of course this never make the news. I rember back when the Gulf War MkII kicked off and all of the Coalition troops were parked up outside Bagdad then the 'shock and awe' bombing that followed. Thousands and thousands of innocent people must have been killed. Related, there have been (I think) 3 IS attacks in Baghdad over the last 10 days or so each with an equal or higher body count than Nice. The Caliphate is losing ground and turning to more asymmetric out of area terror attacks to deliver tactical 'victories'. That pattern is going to continue & increase. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 (edited) 22 minutes ago, maqroll said: Hollande promised more bombing in his speech last night. So more innocent people can expect to die. Why not keep the wheel spinning, right? Insanity. What's the alternative ? They cannot stop these attacks in Europe so what are the range of options available if not military ? The majority of the religion in question are good people that have been fooled or forced to follow a religion that actively promotes these actions. The solution is from within the Muslim community IMO but considering there are over 1 billion voices, their voices should be deafening in their condemnation, the sound of silence is predictable. Why not, from the very core of the religion call an internal jihad on terrorists or similar? It is human made so it can say what they want and if they really gave a **** they would do something about it.. Edited July 15, 2016 by Amsterdam_Neil_D 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 1 minute ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said: The solution is from within the Muslim community IMO This is something I agree with, I'm not saying its easy though. With the attack on the beach in Tunisia I remember watching the news and locals were talking about a mosque in the area that was well known to be preaching a very extreme flavour of the religion and that the man involved was from there. I expect this happens a lot, there are known area's, cells, mosques that people just distance themselves from. If they suspect these things then they need to feel empowered to act upon it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 What a horrible thing to wake up to. Thoughts with all of France at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said: The solution is from within the Muslim community IMO but considering there are over 1 billion voices, their voices should be deafening in their condemnation, the sound of silence is predictable. Why not, from the very core of the religion call an internal jihad on terrorists or similar? It is human made so it can say what they want and if they really gave a **** they would do something about it.. This sounds, unfortunately, like the kind of thing we hear after every event of this ilk: they (muslims) don't do enough to stop it, they (muslims) never condemn (deafening silence) it, they (muslims - or did you mean just those at the core of the religion?) would do something about it if they really gave a **** (by extension implying that they don't care as it continues to happen). If you don't mean that then your comment needs some serious rewording. Edited July 15, 2016 by snowychap 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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