PongRiddims Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 It makes you realise, or should make people realise what a good job our Police and security forces do in this country. If the price of avoiding this sort of attack and the other similar attacks in Paris in the last 12 months is GCHQ reading my text's and e-mails they are welcome to them. Whilst I understand the sentiment, and usually agree with your comments TrentVilla, I don't agree with this. Firstly I would expect France to have the same level of surveillance as us, it not on par, very close. Secondly, your argument is based entirely on France being targeted twice, and everywhere else NOT being targeted based on GCHQ intervention. Apologies if I've misread, my understanding of these situations is limited Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted November 13, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted November 13, 2015 I'm glad the BBC just repeats the info they have confirmed. CNN has talking heads speculating and trying to raise the drama. - Pretty un-f'kin-necessary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 2 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: Hardly. I'm not the one labelling and condemning an entire religion of billions because of a few whackjobs (and yes, it is still a few in the grand scheme of things) Quite correct. Your just, by calling me a knuckledragger.assuming you are better than me because you have a different opinion, Its pathetic. As soon as the news broke we all new who was responsible, correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted November 13, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted November 13, 2015 2 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: Hardly. I'm not the one labelling and condemning an entire religion of billions because of a few whackjobs (and yes, it is still a few in the grand scheme of things) Quite correct. Your just, by calling me a knuckledragger.assuming you are better than me because you have a different opinion, Its pathetic. As soon as the news broke we all new who was responsible, correct? Yes. We knew it was insane jihadists. It was not 'Muslims'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Just now, av1 said: Quite correct. Your just, by calling me a knuckledragger.assuming you are better than me because you have a different opinion, Its pathetic. As soon as the news broke we all new who was responsible, correct? A minority giving the majority a bad name. It's working too. Anybody who generalises a group of people billions strong by the actions of a minority is a knuckledragger in my eyes. Proportionately, it would be like generalising the entirety of VT based on one person's postings. Brainless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 2 minutes ago, av1 said: Quite correct. Your just, by calling me a knuckledragger.assuming you are better than me because you have a different opinion, Its pathetic. As soon as the news broke we all new who was responsible, correct? Who was responsible? Share the news, I don't have a clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted November 13, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted November 13, 2015 1 minute ago, av1 said: Quite correct. Your just, by calling me a knuckledragger.assuming you are better than me because you have a different opinion, Its pathetic. As soon as the news broke we all new who was responsible, correct? Well that's the thing. We DONT know who is responsible. It's very, very likely it's Islamic in nature, but there's a small chance it won't be. Ignoring that small chance, if it is Islamic in nature, we don't know the origin. Is it homegrown radicals? Is it foreign insurgency? Is it a planned organised attack on direct orders from a jihadi organisation? It's probably the former, but we don't know. And we won't until these words removed are dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 During the Mumbai attacks there was a control room in Pakistan reading cries for help on Twitter, then calling through the information on people's hiding places in the hotel to the terrorists inside - with obvious results. Read that guy saying he was on the 1st floor and I felt sick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meath_Villan Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 tweets from inside the stadium of fans saying something going on outside again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 We will no longer be reporting what's happening at the Bataclan. This is due to a gag request by French Police. /u/willz1208 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted November 13, 2015 Moderator Share Posted November 13, 2015 5 minutes ago, PongRiddims said: Whilst I understand the sentiment, and usually agree with your comments TrentVilla, I don't agree with this. Firstly I would expect France to have the same level of surveillance as us, it not on par, very close. Secondly, your argument is based entirely on France being targeted twice, and everywhere else NOT being targeted based on GCHQ intervention. Apologies if I've misread, my understanding of these situations is limited I don't think the French do have the same level of expertise in this area to be honest, no. And I'm sorry to say you are wrong, France has been the victim of far more than 2 attacks. I don't really understand your last point. There have been numerous plots on our soil which have been foiled by our Police, GCHQ, MI5, MI6 and various other agencies we are exceedingly good at dealing with this sort of threat, in part due to the history of Ireland. France it would seem don't have an intelligence service(s) of the same experience of calibre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCU Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 (edited) 5 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: Edited November 13, 2015 by Warnock Ignore that < Nice to see VT still haven't fixed this well done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 (edited) Fear of imminent attack whilst Christmas shopping has become a bit of a tradition in the UK. Edited November 13, 2015 by Xann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 2 minutes ago, VILLAMARV said: We will no longer be reporting what's happening at the Bataclan. This is due to a gag request by French Police. /u/willz1208 Good! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donnie Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 (edited) 10 minutes ago, av1 said: 7 minutes ago, mjmooney said: Yes. We knew it was insane jihadists. It was not 'Muslims'. Eh, it was though wasnt it. Edited November 13, 2015 by donnie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PongRiddims Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 5 minutes ago, PongRiddims said: Whilst I understand the sentiment, and usually agree with your comments TrentVilla, I don't agree with this. Firstly I would expect France to have the same level of surveillance as us, it not on par, very close. Secondly, your argument is based entirely on France being targeted twice, and everywhere else NOT being targeted based on GCHQ intervention. Apologies if I've misread, my understanding of these situations is limited I don't think the French do have the same level of expertise in this area to be honest, no. And I'm sorry to say you are wrong, France has been the victim of far more than 2 attacks. I don't really understand your last point. There have been numerous plots on our soil which have been foiled by our Police, GCHQ, MI5, MI6 and various other agencies we are exceedingly good at dealing with this sort of threat, in part due to the history of Ireland. France it would seem don't have an intelligence service(s) of the same experience of calibre. Fair points... Too much to comprehend right now, will reply tomorrow, too much beer to make sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 5 minutes ago, Chindie said: Well that's the thing. We DONT know who is responsible. It's very, very likely it's Islamic in nature, but there's a small chance it won't be. Ignoring that small chance, if it is Islamic in nature, we don't know the origin. Is it homegrown radicals? Is it foreign insurgency? Is it a planned organised attack on direct orders from a jihadi organisation? It's probably the former, but we don't know. And we won't until these words removed are dead. Fantastic post that I will quote in response to Donnie above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted November 13, 2015 Moderator Share Posted November 13, 2015 Cut out the name calling, post and poster and other such dickery please otherwise people will find their ability to post removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted November 13, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted November 13, 2015 CNN reports they are storming the concert hall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted November 13, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted November 13, 2015 5 minutes ago, PongRiddims said: Whilst I understand the sentiment, and usually agree with your comments TrentVilla, I don't agree with this. Firstly I would expect France to have the same level of surveillance as us, it not on par, very close. Secondly, your argument is based entirely on France being targeted twice, and everywhere else NOT being targeted based on GCHQ intervention. Apologies if I've misread, my understanding of these situations is limited I don't think the French do have the same level of expertise in this area to be honest, no. And I'm sorry to say you are wrong, France has been the victim of far more than 2 attacks. I don't really understand your last point. There have been numerous plots on our soil which have been foiled by our Police, GCHQ, MI5, MI6 and various other agencies we are exceedingly good at dealing with this sort of threat, in part due to the history of Ireland. France it would seem don't have an intelligence service(s) of the same experience of calibre. France/Algeria was at least as big an issue as Britain/IRA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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