b23avfc Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 Ignore me, I checked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 Religeon was invented for the primitive masses to explain the unexplainable, then later modified as a tool to control the masses. There ain't no need for it any more. But maybe the masses still need controlling? After all, in this country, as people are becoming less religious, are we seeing an increase in stealing, cheating, violence, etc. Some people don't have the brains/willpower to self-impose a moral code, and so need a guiding force like religion to control their wild impulses. by the way, i'm an Atheist (who was brought up as a Hindu). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 Religeon was invented for the primitive masses to explain the unexplainable, then later modified as a tool to control the masses. There ain't no need for it any more. But maybe the masses still need controlling? After all, in this country, as people are becoming less religious, are we seeing an increase in stealing, cheating, violence, etc. Some people don't have the brains/willpower to self-impose a moral code, and so need a guiding force like religion to control their wild impulses. by the way, i'm an Atheist (who was brought up as a Hindu). Mmm. But those who practice most antisocial behaviour are pretty unlikely to subject themselves to the social control of religion. So, in a society where religion has lost its ability to control behaviour - (and by the way, this ability came from social disapproval in a context where most people listened to the church, not from something innate in individual belief in some spooky ethereal being) what role does religion have in keeping the streets more pleasant to walk in? Not much, I'd say. It's down to us to sort it out. God's resting, or otherwise engaged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 Some people don't have the brains/willpower to self-impose a moral code, and so need a guiding force like religion to control their wild impulses. I think we have come to a time in this country that we do need something to guide the masses, but religion isnt it - society needs a more realistic alternative that will encompass the masses. Either that, or just make punishments more severe - I mean ASBOs are a **** joke and petty crimes these days usually go without punishment due to the huge amount of time, money and effort it takes to get somebody charged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 im a racist.... I MEAN ATHEIST! :shock: i love the idea that when you die u just get out your body and do whatever, but i'm a man of science so i dont believe, but it still is a nice thought. and nick rogers, you cant just dismiss religion altogether, your offending billions of peoples beliefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 Some people don't have the brains/willpower to self-impose a moral code, and so need a guiding force like religion to control their wild impulses. I think we have come to a time in this country that we do need something to guide the masses, but religion isnt it - society needs a more realistic alternative that will encompass the masses. Either that, or just make punishments more severe - I mean ASBOs are a **** joke and petty crimes these days usually go without punishment due to the huge amount of time, money and effort it takes to get somebody charged. Well, we tried that in the Dark/Middle Ages. I'm not aware that it was enormously effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 Well, we tried that in the Dark/Middle Ages. I'm not aware that it was enormously effective. Dont hear of ye olde chavs though.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheriffvilla Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 I put Christian, not practising. Which technically, I am. When I actually think about religion though, it all seems very silly, doesn't it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 Well, we tried that in the Dark/Middle Ages. I'm not aware that it was enormously effective. Dont hear of ye olde chavs though.... Well it depends what you read. Their exploits, such as they were, certainly don't survive though several centuries. But if you seek it out, descriptions from those times and others suggest we've always had a chav problem. If only it was as simple as being harder on the little shits, we'd have stamped it out millenia ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derryvillan Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 I put Christian, not practising. Which technically, I am. When I actually think about religion though, it all seems very silly, doesn't it... Dunno. I'm an atheist,but the missus and kids are Catholics. When I've been to weddings/first communions/confirmations I can't and won't deride someones desire to believe in something they've been taught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 If only it was as simple as being harder on the little shits, we'd have stamped it out millenia ago. People argue that caning was good for the character, but it seems unrealistic in such a PC country to suggest bringing it back. The 'what if' factor is getting a bit crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelle Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 Born a christian, but now I'm an atheist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted June 15, 2007 Moderator Share Posted June 15, 2007 Born a christian, but now I'm an atheist. You can't be born with a belief surely? (ok ok I'm being picky for the sake of it, I know you meant born into a Christian family ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelle Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 Born a christian, but now I'm an atheist. You can't be born with a belief surely? (ok ok I'm being picky for the sake of it, I know you meant born into a Christian family ) Hey, FFS, it's 2:30 in the morning and it was a very hard night at work, what do you expect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted June 15, 2007 Moderator Share Posted June 15, 2007 Dunno, I've got rampant toothache, maybe if I turn to religion I can say it was all god's fault - the **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 Atheist. Born catholic. As Homer says, if I'm wrong I'll recant on my deathbed. Ditto but Christened Christian. Edit in reposnse to Bicks' pedantism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 Dunno, I've got rampant toothache, maybe if I turn to religion I can say it was all god's fault - the **** so what time are you going to the dentsist today Gareth ............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 and nick rogers, you cant just dismiss religion altogether, your offending billions of peoples beliefs. he can dismiss what he wants on here. I don't think he's offending billions of people's beliefs, unless of course readership of this forum has suddenly mushroomed overnight. maybe it has. Must be the work of God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nepal_villan Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 Born Hindu, turned agnostic, and two days ago became an athiest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazarus_chin Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 Seasonal Christian Anglican :only goes to church during special occasions like easter,christmas,palm sunday,etc...Im a lazy fecker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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