Demitri_C Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 very sad story this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 A sad story and depression affects a lot of footballers when they retire. Hopefully the FA/PFA can put in some supports to help them with the transition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Feel more sorry for the lorry driver tbfh. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimzk5 Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Feel more sorry for the lorry driver tbfh. That's the issue here, the lorry driver who hit him, his wife & kids being told there husband/dad had killed himself 2 days before Christmas, there are so many people who would have had there lives destroyed by this selfish act But the other side of it is it shows just how depression completely takes hold of you. Hopefully this will be the last time he tries anything like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 How many times has he been caight drink driving now, it's got to be at least 3. Now he involves an innocent in his selfish act. Depression is a very real issue, that has affected those closest to me. I have witnessed it first hand growing up, I have had an uncle commit suicide, I have experienced a parent attempt. I never witnessed selfishness like this though. Scumbag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stevo985 Posted February 5, 2015 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted February 5, 2015 That's a pretty ignorant view to take of depression, imo. I agree that doing it by throwing yourself in front of a lorry is harsh on the lorry driver. But to call a man who is suffering so severely with depression that he tries to take his own life a scumbag? That's low. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 I don't know if depression is classed as a 'mental illness' but if it is then there is probably a point at which your in danger of losing some rational use of your mental faculties. Would people be so harsh on someone with say schizophrenia who through their 'disorder' put someone's life at risk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post choffer Posted February 5, 2015 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted February 5, 2015 I don't know if depression is classed as a 'mental illness' but if it is then there is probably a point at which your in danger of losing some rational use of your mental faculties. Would people be so harsh on someone with say schizophrenia who through their 'disorder' put someone's life at risk? It is and there is. Depression is an absolute mindf**k and if you have it bad, it's impossible to see any situation rationally. As for calling someone a scumbag for being unable to control his depression, that's got to be about the most ignorant thing I've heard. I might as well tell my good friend who has cancer what a clearing in the woods he is because he's not got over it yet. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 As for calling someone a scumbag for being unable to control his depression, that's got to be about the most ignorant thing I've heard. This times 1,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 5, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted February 5, 2015 (edited) People who think those who are so depressed they want to take their own life are "selfish" or "Scumbags" should read this A very good insight into someone living with depression. Particularly meaningful as it's another footballer. Edited February 5, 2015 by Stevo985 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted February 5, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted February 5, 2015 Phenomenal book. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Ralf Little, you supreme tit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Obviously Little is holding a grudge but he did make a couple of points from the brief comments I saw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 I dont want to incur peoples wrath on depression, I do feel he is a tit for drinking and driving and potentially werecking the life of a lorry driver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YLN Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Obviously Little is holding a grudge but he did make a couple of points from the brief comments I saw A couple of points. Got it. If they're as good as the point you've made there, then they're surely worth a read. Suicide and depression is a bit of a weird one. Almost everyone has gotten past the idea that suicide and selfishness are bedfellows. If you're still putting them together then you either have personal experience with suicide, and therefore any discussion of it brings out an emotive element, that goes against maybe your normal reasoning, which I think is what rodders3242 is doing up there, or you have an ignorance owing to a deficit in your thinking. In the latter scenario you see the misery that the suicide has left behind and you use that for the basis of your judgment of the overall act, without considering the misery that caused the suicide. You stop too soon in your analysis. It's difficult to express what it's like to have depression. Some creative people might come close, but most often what you'll hear from someone is that they're feeling down. And that's as well as it can be described in the main. Because of the incapacity for expression of the actual thoughts and feelings within a depressed mind, both due to the limits of language, and depressive poverty of speech, diagnosis is made through directly asking about individual symptoms, such as poor sleep, poor appetite, no interest in things anymore etc. So understanding of depression is very limited for those who have never had it, because it can't be explained well to the uninitiated. All people can do is assume it's something horrible. Like having a constant screeching noise in your ear, or a really bad smell in your nose, or a disgusting upsetting image in your vision all the time, but it's an unpleasantness in a sensory modality that only you have. A sixth sense within which there is only misery, that you can't describe to anyone else because you would only be able to describe it in the terms of a sense that they don't have and for which there isn't even language available. It cannot be compared to something that exists outside of this realm, and so one can be forgiven for feeling overwhelmed by the confusion it brings especially when it happens to someone close to you. As for suicide, I don't know. Suicide is different from depression. In that I don't think of it within the same sphere. I think suicide is a part of mental illness. And depression happens to be a mental illness. Suicide isn't for the most depressed, or the most mentally ill. It's a different ball game entirely and very poorly understood. Brad Bird described Robin Williams' suicide as being when hopelessness overwhelms imagination. I like that, but I'm not saying that it always applies. And I don't like a discussion that has as a starting point whether or not someone was selfish in any suicide attempt. A depressed person may end up committing suicide, but you treat the depression, not the suicide. And if it happens and it's a family member, you hate the depression, not the suicide. You hate that the depression was responsible for a death in the same way you hate a cancer. It would be great if no one committed suicide, but that's about all you can say about it without making a lot of broad statements with no meaning. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Anyone else amazed he was on 100k a year as an Itv commentator? He was only on the odd champions league highlights wasn't he? Anyway hope he gets better. I read the article and it seems fate wanted to keep him alive as he originally laid on train tracks like Robert Enke did but the high speed train didn't turn up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 no he did lot of Europa games and internationals on ITV4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted February 5, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted February 5, 2015 A couple of points...... All good points and a much more considered response than mine previously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 no he did lot of Europa games and internationals on ITV4 I heard him a couple of times at the World cup but they were mainly group games. What was Townsend on there then, no wonder ITV are culling most of their sports department. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted February 6, 2015 Moderator Share Posted February 6, 2015 Ralf Little's timing was wrong and the manner and media in which he initially broached the subject (twitter) was very wrong too. But if you can get past the emotive nature of the whole thing and read the points he makes about Carlisle's specific situation, a lot of what he said made sense in regards to Carlisle. It wasn't meant as a generalisation of suicide and suicidal people. He is at pains to stress this several times in the letter he wrote. Carlisle has put a huge amount of people's lives at risk over and over again whilst pushing his own self-destruct button. It's only by dumb luck that he hasn't killed anyone whilst driving pissed for example. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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