fightoffyour Posted February 22, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted February 22, 2015 See that Danny Rose goal? That's the sort of ridiculous good fortune we need to help us get out of this mess. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supernova26 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Can someone explain to me why we are still odds-against to be relegated? It's the big club syndrome and where the pro's make their money. Some of the odds Liverpool traded at in recent years have been laughable, made plenty of money from them earlier in the season. A lot of punters still find it hard to comprehend we'd go down due to size of club, players etc ignoring the key indicators. I work in decimals and we should be at 1.65 (ish) for the drop. (nearly 1/2 on) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Can someone explain to me why we are still odds-against to be relegated? It's the big club syndrome and where the pro's make their money. Some of the odds Liverpool traded at in recent years have been laughable, made plenty of money from them earlier in the season. A lot of punters still find it hard to comprehend we'd go down due to size of club, players etc ignoring the key indicators. I work in decimals and we should be at 1.65 (ish) for the drop. (nearly 1/2 on) Odds about right imo at 2.54 on Betfair, maybe a little generous. QPR, Burnley and Leicester all shorter, which is how it is in my mind also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krisagg75 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 (edited) i've been on youtube all morning listening/watching/singing/crying to barry frieakin manilow vidoes,it still bleedin hurts. Edited February 22, 2015 by krisagg75 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 I think too many are overestimating our rivals and the general standard of the division. Last season 34 points would've been enough to finish in 17th place and I see no reason to believe that significantly more will be required this - maybe 35 points maximum. That would therefore require 3/4 wins and some draws to do it. We have the most favourable run-in of any side also. Out of the remaining fixtures, only the Man City, Man United, Tottenham and Southampton games are the ones we shouldn't expect anything from. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 We've had plenty of so called 'favourable' games this season, Hull & Stoke (without their best player) being the latest. We've done sod all in those games, and I expect us to continue doing sod all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post markavfc40 Posted February 22, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted February 22, 2015 (edited) I can understand why many supporters are doing so but I don't think we should be throwing the towel in. Far from it. We have been absolutely dire and served up some right tripe but aside from a few goals for/against there are another 3 sides that are either worse or as bad as us. There are also another handful of sides only a handful of points in front of us. There are therefore a number of poor sides in this division. We have a favorable run of fixtures between now and the and of the season (I know we have had these before under the last manager) . QPR, Burnley and Leicester are all also for me worse sides than us. I have seen some suggest they have more fight in them. I think that may have been the case, certainly in the case of Burnley, but I genuinely believe that under Sherwood and Kev Mac we will at the very least now see us give nothing less than 100% in every game between now and the end of the season. That combined with us having better players means that I would much rather be an Aston Villa fan in this position than a Leicester, Burnley or QPR supporter. I left Villa Park hugely disappointed yesterday and like many extremely pessimistic. However a little perspective has now set in. Sherwood had 4 days with the players prior to yesterdays game, Kev Mac just a day. I am sure at Newcastle we will see a big improvement and I think that being away without the understandably edgy home supporters will suit us better and that we can get a result, be it a draw or a win, that can be the catalyst for us finding our way to safety. The supporters have a role to play in this also. We need to see Villa Park full and rocking right behind the lads in the run in. I have a feeling there will be more home supporters for the cup game against West Brom than the league one. If any supporter can only afford to go to one game then get yourself down to the league one as that is way more important than the cup game. Edited February 22, 2015 by markavfc40 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooligan Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 I keep reading Burnley are one of the three certs to be relegated,yet a team who can go to Man City and Chelsea and come away with a draw should not be written off 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poitier Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 I still can't believe that we will get relegated, but I'm less optimistic than I was. Let's hope that Sherwood has learned from the Stoke game, with the right set up we should be capable of getting out of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papillon Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 I keep reading Burnley are one of the three certs to be relegated,yet a team who can go to Man City and Chelsea and come away with a draw should not be written off It's all about 38 games, not what happens any given Saturday. We beat Liverpool away and drew United at home, doesn't really mean much in the big scheme of things. Burnley getting points at Chelsea and Man City is not about Burnley, it's about Chelsea and City not playing at the level they can. A 80% Chelsea will still beat a 100% Burnley-side, but sometimes they are off. Yesterday Burnley were lucky, they should have had red cards and penalties against them. Then Matic reacts and gives Burnely the upper hand, even though Barnes should have been sent to the stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 We've had plenty of so called 'favourable' games this season, Hull & Stoke (without their best player) being the latest. We've done sod all in those games, and I expect us to continue doing sod all. This is true but only one of those under the current manager. If nothing else, one of the major differences I'd expect with this managerial change is that Sherwood will not persist with the same selections and set-up when it clearly isn't working. His post-match comments were not riddled with the levels of delusion that we've became accustomed to with his predecessor. "I was encouraged with some performances - Scott Sinclair, I thought, was very good, the two centre-halves were good, Kieran Richardson was very lively and Alan Hutton was a threat on the right hand side." Other than Vlaar, we'd pretty much agree with this. And I can understand where he is coming from saying the centre-backs were "good" in that it was two lapses from Vlaar rather than him being all over the place throughout the match. For me those lapses were so bad that they render his overall performance to be categorised as poor but I still get what he means. In some ways, it's for the best that it happened during his first game in charge. He'll have [hopefully] learnt a lot and there will be a major reshuffling for the next match. This is why I am still fairly optimistic of our survival. Not so much that we will go on a great run, but that we can conceivably do enough to better our rivals (namely Burnley and QPR) until the season's end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieVillan Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Yesterday was a big disappointment, as I thought/hoped/felt we would win. But I still think we just need one win in the league to get us going, and there is no reason that won't come against Newcastle, who are also very very poor at the moment. I think he needs to play 3 in midfield, Benteke up front and Gil and Sinclair wide, and get the runners into the box from deep as we did against Leicester in the cup. Unfortunately w only Based on how we, QPR and Burnley are doing, I think we only need 12 points to be safe - if we can't do that, then we deserve to go down. Even if Leicester beat Everton, I think think they will fade away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJT123 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Ffs Leicester. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradarmstrong_ Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Are we bottom if Leicester win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackbauer24 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 (edited) Ffs Leicester. Actually my initial reaction until I saw where Everton are - they're not quite out of this battle either and still have the distraction of Europe. They're on 27 points, five less than Newcastle. Leicester remain bottom regardless and if we can't finish above Leicester we're going down whatever other permutations there are! Edited February 22, 2015 by jackbauer24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 That lost point yesterday hurts more with this Leicester result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted February 22, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted February 22, 2015 We're down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 At least we were 10th in October. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Hope Everton can atleast equalise late on. Keeps them (Everton) in it also. I think we are gone though to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReasonforRevolution Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 If Leicester win they are 2 points behind us. Fasten your seat belts for this ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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