GENTLEMAN Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 We need to press the restart button and view the Tottenham game as the first of the season. No we don't, that's the last thing we need to do. That is just simply sweeping all the issues under the carpet and expecting them to disappear again. The major issue is winning again and restoring some confidence, I believe that will go some way to improving other problems too. IMO we need to perform as we did against Stoke, showing the same collective desire and resilience. The season starts on Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 The amount of times Monday when the camera was fixed firmly on him and he was just pushing his glasses up his nose, looking absolutely clueless. Before they scored the 1st he was writing with a biro (1st time ive ever seen him do that), he was probably just taking notes from Keane on how to grow a proper beard. He doesnt have or understand tactics or how to counteract other teams tactics. He tries failed methods over and over. Its just not right, how many more defeats before Lerner might see the same thing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 (edited) The major issue is winning again and restoring some confidence, I believe that will go some way to improving other problems too. IMO we need to perform as we did against Stoke, showing the same collective desire and resilience. The season starts on Sunday. But you're ignoring the issue as to why we aren't playing well and with any confidence. We can give them all the support we like but if they aren't being coached properly to play as a team and the manager has no real tactical direction then we will continue to get bad results. Don't get me wrong, I agree that the fans should play their bit to galvinise the team during the 90 minutes and I hate things like booing and hostility during the game (unless it is already lost) but if we have another performance as pathetic as the last two, then Lambert totally deserves the sort of blowback that McLeish received after the Bolton loss and nothing less. In fact, he has deserved that for a good while now but I hold out some slight hope that Villa Park might actually deliver it this time. Edited October 29, 2014 by Isa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 So who do we think handed Lambert the 4 year deal, Lerner or Fox. Sadly I suspect it was Fox in an attempt to attain some form of stability. Unfortunately in doing so he completely disregarded the previous two years of shite that Lambert had served up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 (edited) I agree that the issues shouldn't be swept under the carpet, but as a fanbase we need to forget about them temporarily and focus on supporting the team just for the 90 minutes against Spurs.Definately groundhog day!Don't you think it's a good thing that fans focus all their energy on getting behind the team during games? It's hard to argue against that.....and bye and large villa fans always have.......6-0away at forest under graham turner when cloughie said he has never seen anything like the villa support....anybody remember. But this is a two way street.....is their a plan from the players to say "we can't keep treating them like this"? Edited October 29, 2014 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Is Moyes still on the Man U payroll earning silly money or did he get a fixed sum when he was fired? (As always I rather we looked outside the UK if we're hiring a new manager) might be wrong but I dont think any foreign manager with no UK mnagerial experience has ever saved a team in a relegation battle on a mid season appointment. look at Solskjaer and Magath last season Pocahontas at Southampton did. This is a myth, Southampton weren't on the verge of going down, they had some very good results under Atkins before he was sacked. As stated before, they were 15th after 22 games played, 3 points above Reading and Wigan in 18th/19th place. For me that's very much being in danger of relegation, but fair enough if people disagree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danishlad Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 I agree that the issues shouldn't be swept under the carpet, but as a fanbase we need to forget about them temporarily and focus on supporting the team just for the 90 minutes against Spurs.Definately groundhog day!Don't you think it's a good thing that fans focus all their energy on getting behind the team during games? It's hard to argue against that.....and bye and large villa fans always have.......6-0away at forest under graham turner when cloughie said he has never seen anything like the villa support....anybody remember. But this is a two way street.....is their a plan from the players to say "we can't keep treating them like this"? I remember, I was there, singing " we want cloughie" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArteSuave Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 I'm seeing the 'keep Lambert' arguments as. - We won't attract somebody who can do better. - We need to get rid of the owner first. - We need to support the team. Can anybody share a pro-Lambert argument which is for his ability to manage? Based on the fact he's had his contract extended, he's clearly met whatever targets were set out for him. Based on the reported fee's we've paid and contracts we've handed out he's done a good job building a squad of reasonable players that are evidently capable of staying in the Premier League. Based on some of our highlights of the last few seasons he's able to win more than his fair share of matches against some of the best teams in the world. Based on improvements in our goals scored, goals conceded and points earned you'd be hard pushed to argue too strongly in his favour. Then again, he's basically kept us where we were while bringing the first team wage bill down and underspending relative to the rest of the league. Our home form has been **** diabolical though, I can't spin lack of funds into a defence of 10 home league defeats in a season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 It's interesting for me how many misplaced arguments I'm picking up from our debacle in shepards bush. I read in the birmingham Mail that villa bossed the midfield, that they were dominant....we had most possession, but did nothing with it. Well for me having possession is not necessarily dominant....if you factor in doing something good with the ball or winning the physical battle during the gaining of possession.....then I would be tempted to call that dominant or bossing the game. I seen a game where we had the ball because QPR had surrendered territory....not sure why, perhaps they thought the job was only half done from us and that they wasn't fearful of us hurting them? I generally see a villa team that are not comfortable with the physical challenge and only play near well when are granted space to play in.....unfortunately the premier league is not that benevolent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Then again, he's basically kept us where we were while bringing the first team wage bill down and underspending relative to the rest of the league. That would be impressive if McLeish had performed well. But I think we all agree he did a poor job. So Lambert keeping us at that level after 2 years and the opportunity to build his squad is very poor IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Lambert has progressed in setting woeful records for the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 He's running out of records to break surely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSV Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 premier league status record?.............. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Harry Posted October 29, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted October 29, 2014 The argument that we are three points off 8th is just laughable. A few days ago we were only three points off 4th. Presumably in a few weeks we will only be three points off safety. We all need to be realistic and recognise that Lambert is out of his depth. We have a half decent squad which is more than capable of keeping us in the PL given proper organisation and management. All the empirical evidence shows that Lambert does not have the right skills. This needs to change as soon as possible. The utter failure to have any Plan B let alone a Plan A. The look of confusion on his face whenever the camera pans onto him. The shambolic incomprehensible post match interviews and by that I am not talking about his accent but his comments which evidence a complete disconnect with actual events. The failure to accept responsibility for the teams performance and the lack of recognition of any of the issues we face. The comment, post QPR, that Beneteke is 6-7 games of being fully fit totally missed the appalling overall team performance. It was all down to Beneteke apparently??? Spurs will batter us on Sunday as I just cannot see us either scoring a goal nor defending effectively for 90 minutes. Mark my words the fans will turn on Sunday and it will be ugly whatever the brave words on this forum. I hope if we lose the fans really do turn on Lambert as the club needs to understand that he is leading us to disaster. We need a change and we need it now. No amount of brave words on this forum can convince me otherwise. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danishlad Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 If Benteke is not fit, should he be in the starting line up? Playing Westwood, Sanchez and Cleverley in the same team?? A manager should be sacked for this alone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 It's interesting for me how many misplaced arguments I'm picking up from our debacle in shepards bush. I read in the birmingham Mail that villa bossed the midfield, that they were dominant....we had most possession, but did nothing with it. Well for me having possession is not necessarily dominant....if you factor in doing something good with the ball or winning the physical battle during the gaining of possession.....then I would be tempted to call that dominant or bossing the game.I seen a game where we had the ball because QPR had surrendered territory....not sure why, perhaps they thought the job was only half done from us and that they wasn't fearful of us hurting them? I generally see a villa team that are not comfortable with the physical challenge and only play near well when are granted space to play in.....unfortunately the premier league is not that benevolent. Exactly. Same as West Ham last season once ahead, sat deeper and allowed us to have the ball in meaningless areas and break if we over-commit. Can't say i'd be too worried if I was them about us unlocking their defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArteSuave Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 We all need to be realistic and recognise that Lambert is out of his depth. We have a half decent squad which is more than capable of keeping us in the PL given proper organisation and management. All the empirical evidence shows that Lambert does not have the right skills. The right skills for what? The last 3 seasons have shown Lambert is not out of his depth and has the right skills to keep a cheapskate team in the Premier League. He may not have the skills to achieve more than that but to pretend he is incapable of keeping a team in the PL is nonsensical when he's done it repeatedly and succeeded at every attempt in doing it. The empirical evidence (the non relegation of Lambert teams for every season he's managed in the PL) shows exactly the opposite of what you claimed it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 The big difference is that the team at his disposal is good enough for 10th-12th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 (edited) Exactly. The squad isn't that bad at all and the fact all Lambert has been able to do is tread water with his smash and grab style proves he is out of his depth at this level. This is what the poster ArteSuave has quoted was eluding to also I believe, not the fact he can keep us up, which certainly isn't a given imo. Edited October 29, 2014 by penguin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArteSuave Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 The big difference is that the team at his disposal is good enough for 10th-12th. Soo 1 or 2 more wins in either season he's had here then? Not exactly unforgivable underachievement really. Maybe we have been a few wins short of our squads potential but we've clearly budgeted for 17th. If he'd got less value for money in the transfer market would it be more acceptable? I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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