coda Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 “Randy won’t pay for something if he doesn’t have to,” my friend said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Lions_Roar Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Oh great, a debate about the nature of truth. That's what I look to VT for. Here's a fact - water boils at 100 degrees. The chemical formula for water is H20.Here isn't a fact - 'The Godfather' is a better film than 'Manos: The Hands Of Fate'. That might not be a fact, but it's a widely-held cultural belief, and you won't find too many people to take the other side of the argument. I don't find too many people taking the other side of the argument when I say Villa are s*** at home either, but you're welcome to start. Please tell me all of the ways in which you've been wowwed, awed and entertained by our worst ever home record performances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agbonla-score Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 (edited) And me, When you lived through Dr Joe then this is nothing lol I remember that season. We'd just lost David Platt and were dreadful. Still, at least we beat Inter Milan at Villa Park in the European Cup and we still had Tony Daley:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIFpNAOfyoI (Sid is in this video as well.) We just don't have players like this anymore. Edited April 17, 2014 by Agbonla-score 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaggy Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Joking aside, people have booed at some ridiculous points in games. There was a section of people booing when we brought Tonev on against Fulham. Ridiculous. There had also been people booing when Bennett's name was mentioned in the starting 11 at the start of the Chelsea game. I wouldn't condone booing any of our players but you can understand why this happened for a number of reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Secret football source seems more likely than the idea that these two have been destroying training and bullying players for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nazvfc Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Ron Saunders built three teams. One to get us promoted into the First Division (Premiership to you youngsters) 74-77. One that was the most Entertaining circa 1977-78 but fell away at end of season. One that won the league and Euro Cup 78-80. This was kicked off by selling Gray and Gidman and Cropley getting injured which was looked on as a disaster at the time. He took from 1974-1982 to build these teams and there was a lot of grumbling we were going backwards etc 78-80 but he was stubborn and stuck to his plan. Ellis took about two years to dismantle all that has been built and 5 years to destroy when we got relegated. Exactly - took time and patience from everyone. Remember also that if that old git Ellis had had his way Saunders would not have been manager and we would not have had the good times. It takes time and it takes having to take the really good with the really bad. Many fans at the time said the same about Saunders - he is shit and boring - but the club stuck with him and the fans (majority) too. Think patience (and I don't mean just a couple of seasons in the case of Lambert) is a thing many have got. Us old ones have perhaps as we have been around a lot longer (pre Sky). At least (for now) Lerner has not done what Ellis did - relegate us (maybe not for the want of trying to some). It takes a great chairman to take a team that was kings of Europe and fail to build on it but instead dismantle it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaggy Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Lets say we win all our remaining games (stay with me) - who would get the credit ? Lambert ? or one of our recently promoted coaches ? I would hope that Cowans would replace Lambert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Risso Posted April 17, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted April 17, 2014 So because a Ron Saunders team won the European Cup after 8 years, we should stick with a hopeless manager like Lambert? Why shouldn't we have stuck with McLeish? There's nothing whatsoever to demonstrate that Lambert is worth sticking with, nothing. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 So because a Ron Saunders team won the European Cup after 8 years, we should stick with a hopeless manager like Lambert? Why shouldn't we have stuck with McLeish? There's nothing whatsoever to demonstrate that Lambert is worth sticking with, nothing. That's the thing with this stability for the sake of stability argument. No one wanted to stick with the previous manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 So because a Ron Saunders team won the European Cup after 8 years, we should stick with a hopeless manager like Lambert? Why shouldn't we have stuck with McLeish? There's nothing whatsoever to demonstrate that Lambert is worth sticking with, nothing. I keep saying it but the pain endured going through another new manager search is something to demonstrate that Lambert is worth sticking with. The only thing though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 And me, When you lived through Dr Joe then this is nothing lol I remember that season. We'd just lost David Platt and were dreadful. Still, at least we beat Inter Milan at Villa Park in the European Cup and we still had Tony Daley:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIFpNAOfyoI (Sid is in this video as well.) We just don't have players like this anymore. Love the goal which starts at 2:52. McGrath intercepts and Daley breaks away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrinityRoadSteps Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 And me, When you lived through Dr Joe then this is nothing lol I remember that season. We'd just lost David Platt and were dreadful. Still, at least we beat Inter Milan at Villa Park in the European Cup and we still had Tony Daley:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIFpNAOfyoI (Sid is in this video as well.) We just don't have players like this anymore. Love the goal which starts at 2:52. McGrath intercepts and Daley breaks away. Oh how I miss those Villa Park goal posts. And the Trinity Road Stand. And players wearing black boots 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Oh great, a debate about the nature of truth. That's what I look to VT for. Here's a fact - water boils at 100 degrees. The chemical formula for water is H20. Here isn't a fact - 'The Godfather' is a better film than 'Manos: The Hands Of Fate'. That might not be a fact, but it's a widely-held cultural belief, and you won't find too many people to take the other side of the argument. I don't find too many people taking the other side of the argument when I say Villa are s*** at home either, but you're welcome to start. Please tell me all of the ways in which you've been wowwed, awed and entertained by our worst ever home record performances. This is a very odd post. The poster he was responding to presented an opinion as a fact - he was highlighting this error, nothing more. You've then inferred that he's happy with the performances by putting all sorts of words in his mouth. The point, as you're surely able to divine, is that it is so obvious that we play rubbish, boring football - pacbuddies' point - that calling it a 'fact' is really an acceptable shorthand. Rather than calling the post 'very odd', I explicitly offered you the chance to tell me about the times you've been dazzled by our performances this season, and I notice that one poster did actually take that opportunity. But don't pretend like my point was hard to understand. I wouldn't call fact acceptable shorthand for opinion - that's the point. Now you're inferring that I'm defending the performances, just as you did with the other poster on the previous page. I don't propose to continue this argument, nobody wants or needs to read it. Enjoy the rest of your day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Just to play Top Trumps with a few posters in this thread - My following of Villa goes back to just before our demise to the 3rd division (so think 1970ish) - I was "lured" by the Tommy Doc spin. So I have seen some very poor times, some crap football, I was there in Rotterdam to see the total opposite and have seen the side play some wow type football. Under Lambert though it is up there with the Billy McBingo days for being dire, weak, clueless. It is terrible and he is a terrible manager. There is nothing that he has shown that gives any indication that he has the necessary attributes to take the club forward. I have seen over the past two years some frankly outrageous claims to his abilities from (and I am paraphrasing) being the best of his generation through to someone that can take us back to champs league. There is nothing whatsoever that can show where these thoughts have come from other than a total blindness to him, his abilities and his approach to the job. I fully appreciate that all have differing opinions and so be it but they have to be backed up with a few facts. Also I know that Randy's actions in the past few years are certainly contributors to the mess we find ourselves in, but they are not the sole cause by a long shot Hopefully the removal of two of his appointments is the start of the end for the dire mess he has dished up over his two years in charge 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 I think Drat means 1870ish, but other than that, top post! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 I think Drat means 1870ish, but other than that, top post! Nurse, nurse those pesky kids are bugging me again, wibble ...... :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa-revolution Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 (edited) Can we draw up a list of years people were born? I think we need to look at who is allowed an opinion. Anybody born after 1980 doesn't count? Age is certainly the best way to choose who knows better! Can we include Methuselah in that? He was born a Villa fan in 687 AD before Villa had even been invented. He's also a big Paul Lambert fan. & so sagacious Edited April 17, 2014 by villa-revolution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Can we draw up a list of years people were born? I think we need to look at who is allowed an opinion. Anybody born after 1980 doesn't count? Age is certainly the best way to choose who knows better! Can we include Methusela in that? He was born a Villa fan in 687 AD before Villa had even been invented. He's also a big Paul Lambert fan. & so sagacious I knew his dad 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaAndLoyal Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Has a statement been released yet? Heard it's the Tea Lady today... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa-revolution Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Can we draw up a list of years people were born? I think we need to look at who is allowed an opinion. Anybody born after 1980 doesn't count? Age is certainly the best way to choose who knows better! Can we include Methusela in that? He was born a Villa fan in 687 AD before Villa had even been invented. He's also a big Paul Lambert fan. & so sagacious I knew his dad Yes. He was the local milk man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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