The_Lions_Roar Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Listen to LVG on SSN earlier talking about Falcao, not disrepecting the player, but saying he needs to prove himself to get back into the squad. Now much has been said about Lambert how he always covers for the players an says they are doing there best, when blatently we can see some are not. LVG proves there are ways of saying a player is not good enough without disrespecting them. This is part of what don't respect about Lambert. Our players are not a bunch of kids anymore and if the likes of Weimann, Gabby aren't performing, he is more than welcome to take some heat off himself and say so in so in interviews, Him continuing to say the players are doing there best and never saying the squad had a bad day, makes more fans think, he is to blame everytime or he has zero faith in the team to do any better. Didn't PL do an interview recently where he said Grealish needs to prove himself and earn his place in the team. How is this different? so why could'nt he make the same statement publicly about Gabby.....if its good for the goose... I'll tell you why because he ducks it. oh! sorry about the pun. Lvg was asked specifically about falcao, pl was asked specifically about grealish. When asked about the team he's not going to single out one player to criticise. Given was on talksport this morning and said that lambert has made it perfectly clear to them that they need to improve and have worked on a number of things on the training ground. So Lambert's not putting his arm around them in training saying they're doing great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 The link between fans and manager has well and truly broken and I don't want to keep watching Villa in a toxic atmosphere. If Doug was still in charge Lambert would have had the walk in the garden by now. The plummeting gates would have done it for him alone- now it doesn't really matter. The Bournemouth game could well have less than 10,000 home fans in. Lerner should be getting as equal blame but he can't be changed by fan action so Lambert is getting it both barrels. As soon as we go a goal down tomorrow, the atmosphere is going to be horrible. The man has run out of ideas and has his hands tied behind his back. I can't see a turn around myself sadly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dn1982 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Listen to LVG on SSN earlier talking about Falcao, not disrepecting the player, but saying he needs to prove himself to get back into the squad. Now much has been said about Lambert how he always covers for the players an says they are doing there best, when blatently we can see some are not. LVG proves there are ways of saying a player is not good enough without disrespecting them. This is part of what don't respect about Lambert. Our players are not a bunch of kids anymore and if the likes of Weimann, Gabby aren't performing, he is more than welcome to take some heat off himself and say so in so in interviews, Him continuing to say the players are doing there best and never saying the squad had a bad day, makes more fans think, he is to blame everytime or he has zero faith in the team to do any better. Didn't PL do an interview recently where he said Grealish needs to prove himself and earn his place in the team. How is this different? so why could'nt he make the same statement publicly about Gabby.....if its good for the goose... I'll tell you why because he ducks it. oh! sorry about the pun. Lvg was asked specifically about falcao, pl was asked specifically about grealish. When asked about the team he's not going to single out one player to criticise. Given was on talksport this morning and said that lambert has made it perfectly clear to them that they need to improve and have worked on a number of things on the training ground. So Lambert's not putting his arm around them in training saying they're doing great. Falcao is a senior player on mega money where as Grealish is just starting out to completely different cases so the original point stands. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YLN Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Listen to LVG on SSN earlier talking about Falcao, not disrepecting the player, but saying he needs to prove himself to get back into the squad. Now much has been said about Lambert how he always covers for the players an says they are doing there best, when blatently we can see some are not. LVG proves there are ways of saying a player is not good enough without disrespecting them. This is part of what don't respect about Lambert. Our players are not a bunch of kids anymore and if the likes of Weimann, Gabby aren't performing, he is more than welcome to take some heat off himself and say so in so in interviews, Him continuing to say the players are doing there best and never saying the squad had a bad day, makes more fans think, he is to blame everytime or he has zero faith in the team to do any better. Didn't PL do an interview recently where he said Grealish needs to prove himself and earn his place in the team. How is this different? so why could'nt he make the same statement publicly about Gabby.....if its good for the goose... I'll tell you why because he ducks it. oh! sorry about the pun. You really love your aphorisms don't you. Again this is specious. What is good for the goose may not necessarily be good for the gander. Just like your hypothesis that because PL doesn't talk the talk in public interviews, he doesn't walk the walk. While one player may benefit from public criticism, another may not. This is particularly true for the captain, compared to a teenager who has just signed a decent contract, or in LVG's case, a player who is only on loan for the season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morley_crosses_to_Withe Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Worse than O'Leary!! LOLLOLOLOLOLMAOROFL etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Listen to LVG on SSN earlier talking about Falcao, not disrepecting the player, but saying he needs to prove himself to get back into the squad. Now much has been said about Lambert how he always covers for the players an says they are doing there best, when blatently we can see some are not. LVG proves there are ways of saying a player is not good enough without disrespecting them. This is part of what don't respect about Lambert. Our players are not a bunch of kids anymore and if the likes of Weimann, Gabby aren't performing, he is more than welcome to take some heat off himself and say so in so in interviews, Him continuing to say the players are doing there best and never saying the squad had a bad day, makes more fans think, he is to blame everytime or he has zero faith in the team to do any better. Didn't PL do an interview recently where he said Grealish needs to prove himself and earn his place in the team. Weak, so so weak. Falcao is a 50 million pound player, Grealish is a 19 year old boy. Lets see his bottle for once. He could easily say for example. "Gabby really needs to show us his game, as does Weimann. We see these players work excellent together, we need these guys at 110% if we are to move on. Or as he would say "go again." Not hard is it, no real disrespect to the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 (edited) As I have said a number of times on this thread the minimum I expected of Lambert was a well organised side that was difficult to beat. Sadly we are neither. Seriously? We are both. Unfortunately we're difficult to beat but effortlessly easy to draw 0-0 against. You can blame the manager if you like, I'm blaming the fact that creative players are expensive, and I think it's fairly clear that Lambert has made it his priority to, erm, build a well organised side that is difficult to beat. maybe I am a little old fashioned in placing responsibility for coaching, tactics and formations with the manager. Not at all, but no idea why how it is you know so much about football that you can be sure Lambert's doing it all wrong (especially since nobody outside the club has any idea what his methods are). I was so pleased when he was appointed but he has been found out, the job is simply too big for him. If it's too big for him, it's too big for the next bloke Lerner would get. Trust me on this a hundred percent. To answer each point in turn: I'll give you that the back six up to and including Sanchez at DM are better organised. Forward from that it's a shambles unless aimless sideways passing with no end product counts as 'well organised'. The former has made us somewhat more difficult beat (finally) after a mere two seasons but Lambert's record really does speak for itself and that record is poor. Blame the lack of the wonder creative player if you like but the problems run much deeper than that. He fails to get the best out of so many of the players he already has. Ignoring the obvious snide wind up dig I am not professing to be any sort of expert in football. I am simply another fan with a view just like you and every other poster on this forum. My belief is based on watching Villa for far too many years and a simple comparison with what other managers at other similar clubs achieve. I'm sorry but it's simply naive to argue that because we don't know exactly what he methods we cannot criticise what we witness and not link it to the manager. It seem to me that the majority of Villa fans have. As for your last comment, you really believe that?....well ok them that's your opinion. Looks like we will have to agree to disagree. Edited January 16, 2015 by Harry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YLN Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Worse than O'Leary!! LOLLOLOLOLOLMAOROFL etc This figure has very little meaning. If you think it does, is that how you would rate the managers at Aston Villa in the Premier League era? John Gregory and Martin O'Neill were better managers than Ron Atkinson and Brian Little? What about the players at the disposal of the different managers? Do you think that might have had a bearing on where the managers sit? Even Houllier had an in form Darren Bent and Ashley Young for part if not all of his reign. If you think that that table is an accurate representation of how good those managers were or are, then I think you should go get your copy of The Daily Mail and devour it page by page until it is all in your belly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oaks Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Worse than O'Leary!! LOLLOLOLOLOLMAOROFL etc O,Learly wasn't that bad a manager to be honest, he was just a rocket polisher the cuts he had to injure makes Lamberts seem easy . Hes first season was the last time we really played really really good football. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YLN Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Listen to LVG on SSN earlier talking about Falcao, not disrepecting the player, but saying he needs to prove himself to get back into the squad. Now much has been said about Lambert how he always covers for the players an says they are doing there best, when blatently we can see some are not. LVG proves there are ways of saying a player is not good enough without disrespecting them. This is part of what don't respect about Lambert. Our players are not a bunch of kids anymore and if the likes of Weimann, Gabby aren't performing, he is more than welcome to take some heat off himself and say so in so in interviews, Him continuing to say the players are doing there best and never saying the squad had a bad day, makes more fans think, he is to blame everytime or he has zero faith in the team to do any better. Didn't PL do an interview recently where he said Grealish needs to prove himself and earn his place in the team. Weak, so so weak. Falcao is a 50 million pound player, Grealish is a 19 year old boy. Lets see his bottle for once. He could easily say for example. "Gabby really needs to show us his game, as does Weimann. We see these players work excellent together, we need these guys at 110% if we are to move on. Or as he would say "go again." Not hard is it, no real disrespect to the players. Why? Why do you want him to publicly criticise these senior players? Why would that be a good thing? It's not as if he's watching them in training putting in 42% and thinking yeah that's alright. Better not mention it to them. Of course they're hearing it from him. It's just that you want to hear him give out to them, because you want to give out to them. This isn't Eastenders though. There isn't a man from Sky Sports sitting in Lambert's office every day with a camera and a boom mike waiting for him to bring in players and tell them he'll get Big Phil Mitchell in to have a word with them if they don't put in 110%. 110% indeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 After 21 games with Alex McLeish: 7 defeats, 23 goals scored, -4 goal difference, 24 points, 12th place in the league. Fast forward 3 years: After 21 games with Paul Lambert this season: 9 defeats, 11 goals scored, -12 goal difference, 22 points, 13th place in the league. Worse than McLeish after a net approx. £50m spent! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 The win percentage under Houllier is also wrong as we won 8 games in 28 under him which is around a 28% win rate and less than Graham Taylor. I think it does show though that under Big Ron, Little, O'Neill and Gregory, who all had very similar win ratio records, we were in the main a good side who for the most part held our own in the top 7/8 but aside from the one season under O'Leary the rest have been poor. Of course though it is not just down to the managers but the owner/finances they had at their disposal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YLN Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 After 21 games with Alex McLeish: 7 defeats, 23 goals scored, -4 goal difference, 24 points, 12th place in the league. Fast forward 3 years: After 21 games with Paul Lambert this season: 9 defeats, 11 goals scored, -12 goal difference, 22 points, 13th place in the league. Worse than McLeish after a net approx. £50m spent! Then why does McLeish fare so poorly in that table up there? Or are you just picking and choosing statistics to suit your argument? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Listen to LVG on SSN earlier talking about Falcao, not disrepecting the player, but saying he needs to prove himself to get back into the squad. Now much has been said about Lambert how he always covers for the players an says they are doing there best, when blatently we can see some are not. LVG proves there are ways of saying a player is not good enough without disrespecting them. This is part of what don't respect about Lambert. Our players are not a bunch of kids anymore and if the likes of Weimann, Gabby aren't performing, he is more than welcome to take some heat off himself and say so in so in interviews, Him continuing to say the players are doing there best and never saying the squad had a bad day, makes more fans think, he is to blame everytime or he has zero faith in the team to do any better. Didn't PL do an interview recently where he said Grealish needs to prove himself and earn his place in the team. Weak, so so weak. Falcao is a 50 million pound player, Grealish is a 19 year old boy. Lets see his bottle for once. He could easily say for example. "Gabby really needs to show us his game, as does Weimann. We see these players work excellent together, we need these guys at 110% if we are to move on. Or as he would say "go again." Not hard is it, no real disrespect to the players. Why? Why do you want him to publicly criticise these senior players? Why would that be a good thing? It's not as if he's watching them in training putting in 42% and thinking yeah that's alright. Better not mention it to them. Of course they're hearing it from him. It's just that you want to hear him give out to them, because you want to give out to them. This isn't Eastenders though. There isn't a man from Sky Sports sitting in Lambert's office every day with a camera and a boom mike waiting for him to bring in players and tell them he'll get Big Phil Mitchell in to have a word with them if they don't put in 110%. 110% indeed Again read my posts. Its not about criticising the players, its the way managers put it across. "players need to start fighting for places" for example. LVG said Falcao needs to prove himself. Not really a critcism, its just reminding him, he has the class, we need to see it. "Gabby has great pace, we need to see that a little more". We just never here this off Lambert, he can't keep saying the players did there best, when us fans know the truth. Its like he is lying to the fans and this will not help him. Why don't he release some of his pressure by putting a little on the team for once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YLN Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Listen to LVG on SSN earlier talking about Falcao, not disrepecting the player, but saying he needs to prove himself to get back into the squad. Now much has been said about Lambert how he always covers for the players an says they are doing there best, when blatently we can see some are not. LVG proves there are ways of saying a player is not good enough without disrespecting them. This is part of what don't respect about Lambert. Our players are not a bunch of kids anymore and if the likes of Weimann, Gabby aren't performing, he is more than welcome to take some heat off himself and say so in so in interviews, Him continuing to say the players are doing there best and never saying the squad had a bad day, makes more fans think, he is to blame everytime or he has zero faith in the team to do any better. Didn't PL do an interview recently where he said Grealish needs to prove himself and earn his place in the team. Weak, so so weak. Falcao is a 50 million pound player, Grealish is a 19 year old boy. Lets see his bottle for once. He could easily say for example. "Gabby really needs to show us his game, as does Weimann. We see these players work excellent together, we need these guys at 110% if we are to move on. Or as he would say "go again." Not hard is it, no real disrespect to the players. Why? Why do you want him to publicly criticise these senior players? Why would that be a good thing? It's not as if he's watching them in training putting in 42% and thinking yeah that's alright. Better not mention it to them. Of course they're hearing it from him. It's just that you want to hear him give out to them, because you want to give out to them. This isn't Eastenders though. There isn't a man from Sky Sports sitting in Lambert's office every day with a camera and a boom mike waiting for him to bring in players and tell them he'll get Big Phil Mitchell in to have a word with them if they don't put in 110%. 110% indeed Again read my posts. Its not about criticising the players, its the way managers put it across. "players need to start fighting for places" for example. LVG said Falcao needs to prove himself. Not really a critcism, its just reminding him, he has the class, we need to see it. "Gabby has great pace, we need to see that a little more". We just never here this off Lambert, he can't keep saying the players did there best, when us fans know the truth. Its like he is lying to the fans and this will not help him. Why don't he release some of his pressure by putting a little on the team for once. Falcao is not LVG's player. He can afford to make an enemy of him and if Falcao doesn't like it, well he'll be gone at the end of the season anyway. It's different management styles. And anyway - We need to see more of Gabby's pace? Do you want him to just sprint up and down the touchline for 90 minutes? Would that be him giving 110%? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Then why does McLeish fare so poorly in that table up there? Or are you just picking and choosing statistics to suit your argument? That table is just looking at win % (which will include Lambert's other 2 seasons at the club). The stats are clear -horrible reading I must admit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morley_crosses_to_Withe Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Well of course the stats don't tell all. Then again my post wasn't entirely serious and shouldn't have been taken as so. I thought the 'LOLOL..." part of that post would have made that crystal clear. Or maybe not. I forgot this site has so many pedants wanting to jump over every post that quite often any humour/irony/sillyness is overlooked as people rush to point out the obvious. I don't why that is. Maybe people need more hobbies, more friends or a girlfriend. Or just to get out more. Maybe some people need to join a sports society, a social group or a dating site. As it happens - I think Lambert IS worse than O'Leary. So there you go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YLN Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Then why does McLeish fare so poorly in that table up there? Or are you just picking and choosing statistics to suit your argument? That table is just looking at win % (which will include Lambert's other 2 seasons at the club). The stats are clear -horrible reading I must admit. Your point in quoting those stats was to portray McLeish as at least Lambert's equal in terms of managerial performance. My question then if you're proposing that we would be better off with McLeish is which manager would you prefer to have with us going into the last 17 games of the season. One with a win % of 26% or one of 18%. The stats are clear in that they are numbers. If I had two oranges and you gave me two oranges, I would have four oranges. That's pretty clear. What isn't clear is what I'm going to do with the oranges. How many oranges I had earlier on. Where you got the oranges. Why you're giving them to me. If I have to give them back. Things like that. Don't be made complacent by the simplicity of two plus two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YLN Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Well of course the stats don't tell all. Then again my post wasn't entirely serious and shouldn't have been taken as so. I thought the 'LOLOL..." part of that post would have made that crystal clear. Or maybe not. I forgot this site has so many pedants wanting to jump over every post that quite often any humour/irony/sillyness is overlooked as people rush to point out the obvious. I don't why that is. Maybe people need more hobbies, more friends or a girlfriend. Or just to get out more. Maybe some people need to join a sports society, a social group or a dating site. As it happens - I think Lambert IS worse than O'Leary. So there you go. Who suggested you didn't think that? I was taking issue with the table , not your reaction to the table, but I appreciate your charmless rant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Lions_Roar Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Listen to LVG on SSN earlier talking about Falcao, not disrepecting the player, but saying he needs to prove himself to get back into the squad. Now much has been said about Lambert how he always covers for the players an says they are doing there best, when blatently we can see some are not. LVG proves there are ways of saying a player is not good enough without disrespecting them. This is part of what don't respect about Lambert. Our players are not a bunch of kids anymore and if the likes of Weimann, Gabby aren't performing, he is more than welcome to take some heat off himself and say so in so in interviews, Him continuing to say the players are doing there best and never saying the squad had a bad day, makes more fans think, he is to blame everytime or he has zero faith in the team to do any better. Didn't PL do an interview recently where he said Grealish needs to prove himself and earn his place in the team. Weak, so so weak. Falcao is a 50 million pound player, Grealish is a 19 year old boy. Lets see his bottle for once. He could easily say for example. "Gabby really needs to show us his game, as does Weimann. We see these players work excellent together, we need these guys at 110% if we are to move on. Or as he would say "go again." Not hard is it, no real disrespect to the players. Like given said, he's made it perfectly clear to them in training, I don't see why people want players to be criticised in public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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