DCJonah Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Surely with the rewriting of history with lambert praised for keeping us up, the same applies to mcleish? Another stain on our club, another shocking decision by Lerner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stevo985 Posted February 17, 2018 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted February 17, 2018 (edited) 41 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Surely with the rewriting of history with lambert praised for keeping us up, the same applies to mcleish? Another stain on our club, another shocking decision by Lerner. McLeish had a far superior team, budget and starting position than Lambert and was only here for one season. You need to take the Lambert shaped chip off your shoulder. Edited February 17, 2018 by Stevo985 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 It was such a dark time in our history, I hate the comparisons of who was worse between the clowns we had over those years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 43 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: McLeish had a far superior team, budget and starting position than Lambert and was only here for one season. You need to take the Lambert shaped chip off your shoulder. This is the rewriting i'm on about. That first summer was nothing but praise and adulation for the transfer approach we took under lambert. And mcleish took over the team that lost Young and Downing, lambert didn't lose key players like that. Nothing about a chip. Just find it funny how the narrative changes for lambert just because he isn't mcleish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 McLeish had a terrible injury crisis though, Petrov, Bent, Dunne, Given were missing for large parts of season and the reason we entered a relegation battle playing youngsters like Weimann, Lichaj, Gardner and Herd who all were raw. e.g. this is the team in the Chelsea game 12 youth team products I counted Quote Aston Villa: Given, Lichaj, Collins, Baker, Warnock, Gardner, Herd (Albrighton 70), Agbonlahor, Ireland, Bannan, Weimann (Heskey 82). Subs Not Used: Guzan, Johnson, Williams, Carruthers, Grealish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 17, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted February 17, 2018 THAT Spurs game was as bad as anyone has produced since. Even Sherwood. I don't care if it was only 2-0. That's one of the worst performances I've ever seen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 (edited) 11 hours ago, Stevo985 said: Appointing McLeish I still the strangest thing Villa have done in my lifetime. I do not understand why they did it. It was bonkers but we'd already gone for other managers and it hadn't happened so down to 3rd/4th choice and you always get strange choices like Stoke appointing Lambert. He'd relegated SHA but he'd also won them a cup and finished 9th the previous season so only defence is the board thought he could maybe do that here but that would've been a very optimistic viewpoint given the hostility at his appointment. Anyway I actually think he might be a decent appointment. Let's be honest McLeish's negative tactics are made for international football where many teams outside the elite just set up to defend and nick a goal from a set piece...see Norther Ireland, Republic of Ireland and even Wales in last 5 years. He did well in his last spell there although that was over ten years ago now and his career was on the up then. Scotland do have some decent players in their squad. Their problem has always been mentality as they are the masters at snatching draws and defeats from jaws of victory. Edited February 17, 2018 by VillaChris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Stevo985 said: THAT Spurs game was as bad as anyone has produced since. Even Sherwood. I don't care if it was only 2-0. That's one of the worst performances I've ever seen. As bad as Chelsea 8-0? Interesting talking about the Spurs game, the home game we had with them right at the end of that season had an even worse line up imo. Heskey was our starting striker that day, we had just Ireland (and maybe N'zogbia supporting them) and pretty much everyone else was a defender. Warnock in central midfield with Chris Herd etc. Edited February 17, 2018 by VillaChris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 On 2/17/2018 at 22:39, Zatman said: McLeish had a terrible injury crisis though, Petrov, Bent, Dunne, Given were missing for large parts of season and the reason we entered a relegation battle playing youngsters like Weimann, Lichaj, Gardner and Herd who all were raw. e.g. this is the team in the Chelsea game 12 youth team products I counted That was an injury crisis. Lambert had a similar team as his strongest side. I don't even want to quote the team we used when he had an injury crisis during the 0-15 run in December *shudder* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 19, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted February 19, 2018 On 2/17/2018 at 23:49, VillaChris said: As bad as Chelsea 8-0? Honestly yes. Obviously the 8-0 was a terrible result and performance. But something about the Spurs game just sucked the life out of me. I don't think I've ever felt so angry after a game. Maybe I was still thinking that we should be better than we were. Whereas by the time we lost 8-0 to Chelsea I was used to us being terrible so it didn't feel as bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 ill never forgive lambert for that 8-0 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Platt Posted February 19, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted February 19, 2018 Oneill lost 7-1 at Chelsea too not that I am defending Lambert! Funnily enough McLeish got us a 3-1 win at the bridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 On 2/17/2018 at 16:01, DCJonah said: This is the rewriting i'm on about. That first summer was nothing but praise and adulation for the transfer approach we took under lambert. And mcleish took over the team that lost Young and Downing, lambert didn't lose key players like that. Nothing about a chip. Just find it funny how the narrative changes for lambert just because he isn't mcleish Lambert did better than McLeish with less. He didn't do better than McLeish just because he wasn't McLeish. It's a definite chip. That said, McLeish was the first manager to feel the full force of asset stripping at our club. I do feel for him in that regard. His style of play was horrendous but, with hindsight, I think he was attempting to make use of the strongest part of our squad at that time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 2 hours ago, Demitri_C said: ill never forgive lambert for that 8-0 Then followed it up with a 4-0 and 3-0 15-0 over a run of 3 games. Terrible. Way worse than anything mcleish did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 52 minutes ago, bobzy said: Lambert did better than McLeish with less. He didn't do better than McLeish just because he wasn't McLeish. It's a definite chip. That said, McLeish was the first manager to feel the full force of asset stripping at our club. I do feel for him in that regard. His style of play was horrendous but, with hindsight, I think he was attempting to make use of the strongest part of our squad at that time. Who said the argument was who did better? You've just invented that. Well done you. They are both shit stains on the club. Both contributed to the downfall and both were terrible managers for us. Not about who did better. The fact one is slaughtered and one is credited. Shows the bias and it's massively down to the fact lambert replaced someone as hated as mcleish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 41 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Then followed it up with a 4-0 and 3-0 15-0 over a run of 3 games. Terrible. Way worse than anything mcleish did. Yeah i remember. How can anyone defend him for that? That was absolutely disgusting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 3 hours ago, S-Platt said: Oneill lost 7-1 at Chelsea too not that I am defending Lambert! Funnily enough McLeish got us a 3-1 win at the bridge. Ireland ran the midfield that day 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimzk5 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 5 hours ago, Stevo985 said: Honestly yes. Obviously the 8-0 was a terrible result and performance. But something about the Spurs game just sucked the life out of me. I don't think I've ever felt so angry after a game. Was this the game he played 3 right backs to combat bale with herd operating as a 4th auxillary right back? Didn't have a shot on target iirc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 19, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted February 19, 2018 Just now, Jimzk5 said: Was this the game he played 3 right backs to combat bale with herd operating as a 4th auxillary right back? Didn't have a shot on target iirc He played wingers of Hutton and Heskey. Darren Bent and Gabby up top, completely and utterly isolated. We could still be playing now and I doubt we'd have had a shot on target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted February 19, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted February 19, 2018 Strange to look back at that McLeish season and see that we “only” lost 14 games that season. Two thirds of those were to the top six clubs as well. Of course, the 7 wins and endless draws are pathetic. Both Lambert and McLeish were rubbish. I think we all knew McLeish would be poor so it didn’t come as much of s surprise. I had genuine hope for us under Lambert and I remember defending him a lot more at the time (many times when I really shouldn’t have done). Which is probably why I look back at his tenure with slightly more disdain than McLeish’s. Again, both were rubbish. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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