PaulC Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 (edited) but not a drunk and not in the same class as Gazza was a footballer either. Also Rangers were one of the big clubs in europe at the time. Edited June 11, 2015 by PaulC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Rangers never got out of the group phase of Champions League when he played for the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDuck Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 Unbelievable though some people may find this, back in the Gazza era the top few clubs didn't have the monopoly on the best players that they do these days... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 and I think there were limitations on how many foreign players you could have in a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 19 years ago today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddywhack Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 That's just made me read the Euro 96 wiki. It still makes me a bit sad. I was 9 at the time and it's the first tournament I remember England playing in. I missed the semi-final against Germany because our class was at some kind of dance thing at school that we couldn't get out of, I was gutted. I got home to watch the last 20 minutes and penalties. My dad couldn't come to watch me because he was ill and I've only just worked out that was probably a lie. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gharperr Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 Grealish - the Next Gascoigne.According to VT members 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 It is easy to forget what a big part Gascoigne played in rehabilitating English football after it had become a pariah in the post-Heysel era, when English clubs were banned indefinitely from European competitions. These days and for very good reason, people are cynical about football; back then, after the manslaughter at Heysel, the response was nausea and revulsion. So when the man-child Gascoigne turned up at the 1990 World Cup, and wowed the world with his exuberant style and then created one of the most enduring icons in world football, he rehabilitated the image of English football both at home and across the world. Regrettably he turned his iconic moment and himself into a commodity and most of his troubles seem to follow from there. It is definitely annoying that footballers live off their glory-days for far too long and their bludging years can go on for decades, but I think in the case Gascoigne, he probably deserves it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 Classic goal and we really were the best team in that tournament. The 4-1 against the Dutch was one of our finest ever performances, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 Classic goal and we really were the best team in that tournament. The 4-1 against the Dutch was one of our finest ever performances, won 2 games out of 5 and Spain were robbed in quarters. Germany won 4 so fair to say they were best team in the tournament and had a much tougher draw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 (edited) You can look at the stats Zatman but having watched the competition that was the best England team under Venables since 66 or 70. The way they blew away a star-studded Dutch side was brilliant. yes the Spain game they didn't play well but we were the better team against Germany. Edited June 15, 2015 by PaulC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 (edited) It was a Dutch team in the middle of a war between the camp over money and some say racial tensions Spain had a goal disallowed for nothing and Spain should have had a penalty Edited June 15, 2015 by Zatman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 23, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted June 23, 2015 We should have won that tournament. That and Euro 2004. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 We should have won that tournament. That and Euro 2004. We certainly were good enough and the fact that we didn't prompts all those doubts about the mental weakness of our players, and why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 23, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted June 23, 2015 (edited) Is that Spain game the last time England won a penalty shoot out? Edit: ONLY time? Edited June 23, 2015 by Stevo985 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 We should have won that tournament. That and Euro 2004. We certainly were good enough and the fact that we didn't prompts all those doubts about the mental weakness of our players, and why. Nah, we just had a truly inept manager in Sven. ..and if not for the length of a stud against Germany.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 24, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted June 24, 2015 Sven was fine. Not amazing, but we haven't got close to as good as him since he left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 We should have won that tournament. That and Euro 2004. We certainly were good enough and the fact that we didn't prompts all those doubts about the mental weakness of our players, and why. Nah, we just had a truly inept manager in Sven. ..and if not for the length of a stud against Germany.... Win % for England's better managers: Ramsey 61 Greenwood 60 Hoddle 60 SGE 60 Capello 67 Hodgson 56 Every one was condemned as not good enough and every one was replaced with someone who did worse, except Hodgson, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 We should have won that tournament. That and Euro 2004. We certainly were good enough and the fact that we didn't prompts all those doubts about the mental weakness of our players, and why. I've always said if Rooney didn't get injured in that Portugal game, we'd have won 2004. He was absolutely flying. Probably a more rounded footballer now, but as an 18-year-old he was so cocky and knew he could score against anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 24, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted June 24, 2015 We should have won that tournament. That and Euro 2004. We certainly were good enough and the fact that we didn't prompts all those doubts about the mental weakness of our players, and why. I've always said if Rooney didn't get injured in that Portugal game, we'd have won 2004. He was absolutely flying. Probably a more rounded footballer now, but as an 18-year-old he was so cocky and knew he could score against anyone. I think we arguably could have won it anyway. After beating us Portugal had a fairly comfortable win against the dutch and then Greece in the final which they bottled (Greece did well but Portugal should still have beaten them) If we'd won that shoot out I think there's a good chance we'd have won it even without Rooney. But you're right, with him I think it's pretty likely. it wasn't just his ability, it was the fact that the world didn't know much about him yet. And to think, I was advocating not starting him before that tournament! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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