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3 minutes ago, Demitri_C said:

The wording might be shit but you cant argue some of those points the money was so badly invested by those clowns. collymore said something similar about how we target players using stats, formulaes and all this garbage. Forget all that and go scout these bloody players

Would take Collymore's comments with a pinch of salt. Sherwood himself said we sign players the same way every other team does.

As poor as they may have been the 'transfer committee' has come from Arsenal and Liverpool and according to Pat Murphy Reilly and Almstad were well respected at their former clubs. I'd be surprised if we aren't doing things exactly the way those clubs are (with much less money).

Also our scouts are always being reported as being at certain games.

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3 minutes ago, Stevo985 said:

If we sold them this very second then we'd lose money. But Gana and Veretout have shown enough to show they may grow into decent premier league players. I don't see any reason why, if we sold them in a year or two, we wouldn't get at least close to what we paid for them.

What about Adama? If he realises his potential we could be doubling what we paid for him.

What about RIchards? Signed for free, if we sold him we'd get a few million.

Amavi? everyone's forgotten about him since he got injured. If he regains his fitness we could easily make money on him.

Ayew, as you mentioned could make money.

 

That article is a steaming pile of jizz

The problem is Stevo we have no indication if these players will be here in the next year or two. The board may just accept bids of half the money we bad, I would expect nothing less from these clowns. I doubt we would recruit 20m for them both.

Adama was 7m wasnt he, hasnt shown much but we could probably break even on him if he performs like we all hope he does. Amavi is actually a good point had forgotten about him. I think the two other than ayew, we are likely to break even with or make are those two. Richards I dont think anyone would take his wages so cant see a big profit on him. 

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3 minutes ago, Stevo985 said:

 

 

Secondly, he has no way of knowing we'd barely get half of our summer spending back.

 

Bunn and Richards will have gone up in value as they were free, should also get a return on Sinclair as he was very cheap. Amavi may well hold his value when fit but Ayew, Veretout, Gueye, Adama, Gestede and Lescott will have down in value.

Id say we would probably get about £40m if we sold them all now so yeah he is talking bollocks

 

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13 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said:

That journalist can piss off to be honest.

1] Vardy & Mahrez are not even slightly 'typical' even of Leicester's signings

2] I don't recall journalists blowing their loads over them 12 months ago

3] Does he have any actual evidence that we never watch players, or that Leicester never use statistics but simply rely on grumpy men in flat caps?

4] Some of the summer signings are amongst the 'best' players at the club (I realise that's little accolade) and represent most of the small resale value this squad has

5] They're 'not fit to share the same room', but they were fit to share the same football pitch when we drew 1-1 with Leicester three weeks ago

6] Just piss off Dave Armitage

I got out of bed the wrong side maybe. 

Spot on. A nothing story

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3 minutes ago, KHV said:

Bunn and Richards will have gone up in value as they were free, should also get a return on Sinclair as he was very cheap. Amavi may well hold his value when fit but Ayew, Veretout, Gueye, Adama, Gestede and Lescott will have down in value.

Id say we would probably get about £40m if we sold them all now so yeah he is talking bollocks

 

I agree that the players you mentioned will have gone down in value. But if we hold onto any of them next season they will probably go back up, imo. Except Lescott and Gestede.

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7 minutes ago, sexbelowsound said:

In the modern game the need to physically go and watch every player isn't necessary.

Disagree, looking at numbers is one thing but you need to go and watch the player a number of times before you make a decision surely??? I'd say the watching is the most important bit. I read somewhere that Swansea, once they have identified a player will sometimes watch the player for 12 months

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The only thing I can think of where moneyball equates to football would be Stoke signing Delap basically just for his throw-ins to take advantage of the offside rule. That got them so many chances per game for a fraction the price of a winger or set piece specialist who could create the same amount.

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1 minute ago, Stevo985 said:

I agree that the players you mentioned will have gone down in value. But if we hold onto any of them next season they will probably go back up, imo. Except Lescott and Gestede.

I don't know. Gestede may actually smash a few in again in the championship?

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1 minute ago, KHV said:

Disagree, looking at numbers is one thing but you need to go and watch the player a number of times before you make a decision surely??? I'd say the watching is the most important bit. I read somewhere that Swansea, once they have identified a player will sometimes watch the player for 12 months

That's what I said. Generate a list of players, watch them using one of those online systems and then go and watch the ones you are really interested in live.

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10 minutes ago, KHV said:

Our scouting system has been cack for a number of years. Reilly :bang: is now supposed to be implementing a proper scouting structure but I do wonder how extensive our scouting process actually is. Given everything else at the club I would imagine our scouting process is really shit. The fact that our chief scout has never been a chief scout doesn't fill me with much confidence. I would like to think we watch the players but this is Aston Villa.......

This is a fair post, and I'm sure that there are probably aspects of our scouting system that could be criticised, by someone who knew about it, or was prepared to research it thoroughly.

Unfortunately, that article simply demands that we compare our summer signings to two of the best players in the division this season and says 'why aren't they like them?', a question which could be asked about basically every team in the league. It's just so incredibly lazy. Sadly it's typical of much of what passes for 'journalism' these days. 

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Just now, KHV said:

I don't know. Gestede may actually smash a few in again in the championship?

Yeah possibly, but I'm wondering if his year in the prem will put off other Premier League suitors, who might be the ones willing to pay what we paid.

I guess we'll see...

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22 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said:

That journalist can piss off to be honest.

1] Vardy & Mahrez are not even slightly 'typical' even of Leicester's signings

2] I don't recall journalists blowing their loads over them 12 months ago

3] Does he have any actual evidence that we never watch players, or that Leicester never use statistics but simply rely on grumpy men in flat caps?

4] Some of the summer signings are amongst the 'best' players at the club (I realise that's little accolade) and represent most of the small resale value this squad has

5] They're 'not fit to share the same room', but they were fit to share the same football pitch when we drew 1-1 with Leicester three weeks ago

6] Just piss off Dave Armitage

I got out of bed the wrong side maybe. 

It also ignores the rather fundamental issue that their success is chiefly down to a punt on Vardy that has come good. A one in a million fluke. That could just as easily have happened to us, or anyone else. Lots of Clubs, including ours, still take punts on players.

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3 minutes ago, terrytini said:

It also ignores the rather fundamental issue that their success is chiefly down to a punt on Vardy that has come good. A one in a million fluke. That could just as easily have happened to us, or anyone else. Lots of Clubs, including ours, still take punts on players.

Yes, exactly. If it's so easy to unearth Vardy's, why don't 91 other football league clubs have one? 

And as I say, I don't recall Dave Armitage spaffing over Vardy this time twelve months ago, when Leicester were rooted to the foot of the table with barely any more points than we have now. 

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21 minutes ago, KHV said:

Our scouting system has been cack for a number of years. Reilly :bang: is now supposed to be implementing a proper scouting structure but I do wonder how extensive our scouting process actually is. Given everything else at the club I would imagine our scouting process is really shit. The fact that our chief scout has never been a chief scout doesn't fill me with much confidence. I would like to think we watch the players but this is Aston Villa.......

Based on this logic once all the current chief scouts die - that particular role will be extinct. :-)

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Tom Fox is a charlatan. A pretender. A commercial man.

He knows not of the footballing world and how to run a football club.
He's completely out of his depth and I imagine he has hired people who are also completely out of their depth.

I'd love to punch him.

 

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51 minutes ago, Stevo985 said:

Yeah possibly, but I'm wondering if his year in the prem will put off other Premier League suitors, who might be the ones willing to pay what we paid.

I guess we'll see...

Rudys goal return is pretty poor. i would be very suprised if any premier league club would come in for him. Best we can hope for is he smashes it in championship and then we get promoted and sell him for 12m like rovers did with Rhodes

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