hogso Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 I believe the reason for not telling Poe the plan (or anyone else for that matter) was the potential for moles in the camp and giving anything away to potential spies, as Leia was wary of such a threat. I've seen a few videos since watching the film that suggest quite a lot of the plot holes are explained by information held in the visual encyclopedia book thing that accompanies the film, and that's the explanation for that one at least. There's some other stuff in there which is worth researching if you're curious. Having to read a book to fully understand a film isn't really on though, certainly not one as major as this. And even if you do accept that explanation, it's a bit of a stretch as Poe would have had to of been the greatest double agent of all time considering the events before TLJ. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 27, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted December 27, 2017 14 minutes ago, hogso said: I believe the reason for not telling Poe the plan (or anyone else for that matter) was the potential for moles in the camp and giving anything away to potential spies, as Leia was wary of such a threat. I've seen a few videos since watching the film that suggest quite a lot of the plot holes are explained by information held in the visual encyclopedia book thing that accompanies the film, and that's the explanation for that one at least. There's some other stuff in there which is worth researching if you're curious. Having to read a book to fully understand a film isn't really on though, certainly not one as major as this. And even if you do accept that explanation, it's a bit of a stretch as Poe would have had to of been the greatest double agent of all time considering the events before TLJ. Spoiler I don't really buy that either. They could just have easily slipped that bit of information into the movie. "I'm not telling you because of the possibility of spies getting the info" And the whole thing could still have been avoided by something like "Look Poe. I know you're worried, but trust me there is a plan. I can't tell you, because of the threat of a spy getting the information, but we will be fine" That whole bit just seems completely stuck in at the last minute as a way to explain why the rest of the film happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 Reading books to fully understand the film has been a Star Wars problem for a loooong time snoke just about did better than general grevious And if Poe did know that information and the spin off events didn't happen then the whole 16 hour before the fuel runs out "chase" stuff would be even more boring, it just didn't work as a plot to build the film around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderPower_14 Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 17 hours ago, Stevo985 said: Hide contents I don't really buy that either. They could just have easily slipped that bit of information into the movie. "I'm not telling you because of the possibility of spies getting the info" And the whole thing could still have been avoided by something like "Look Poe. I know you're worried, but trust me there is a plan. I can't tell you, because of the threat of a spy getting the information, but we will be fine" That whole bit just seems completely stuck in at the last minute as a way to explain why the rest of the film happens. Spoiler Agree totally, it would have made so much more sense for her to just tell Poe and for him to argue that her plan was dumb and that there was a better plan and go from there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 Love it or hate it. Gotta hand it to Rian Johnson who managed to destroy everything and everyone Abrams built up in the first film 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Went to see it tonight after avoiding all reviews etc. What a disappointment. I agree with a lot of the recent comments (just caught up). I was bored for the majority. Story made no sense. Acting from Hamill and Fisher was atrocious and you can see why they never did anything else. When the bridge got blew up surely c3po should've been killed (I'm so fed up of him, what does he bring to any of it?) The whole link between Kylo and Rey seemed very Harry Potter - Voldemort esque. The island Luke was one being the temple of the Jedis would have been scripted in a lot of places and therefore known where it was. How did Del Toro know the rebel plan but no one else did? Such a shame, Force Awakens, whilst not an original story was good, and for me Rogue One was better, this one though just a waste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted January 1, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted January 1, 2018 Finally saw it over the weekend. I genuinely don't have a clue what to make of it. I'm not a Star Wars fanboy so I don't carry much of the baggage of people wanting theories to play out, but I still think I'm slightly disappointed by it. There's things I like, there's some fabulous imagery in it and there's moments of genuine beauty in it, I like the way it took some elements such as Spoiler Luke's turning away from the Jedi path and the force seemed fitting and interesting in the way they'd taken it, although even that is flawed - if Luke wanted to be vanish why leave a map to find him if he was needed, only to then reject helping when someone came for him anyway? I also liked that the film made an attempt to bring grey to Star Wars. But even that is ham fisted Spoiler DJ brings the explanation sledgehammer with the arms dealing aside, and the whole thing about the casino and the worst people in the galaxy being amoral capitalists is nice but it's tied to a completely useless plot point that almost feels like it's there so the point can be made with no real consequence elsewhere I dunno. It's a curiously small film, the driving of the plot is a tiny element of a story, compared to many blockbuster movies and the entire thing as a result seems to play out over a couple of days max, which makes the whole thing feel rushed. The whole thing is messy, largely redundant plots filling out things for characters to do, odd twists, stupid choices... But there's some good stuff as well. Strange film. It feels like the next film has a lot of legwork to do to get to a finale, as this film simultaneously does surprisingly little to set up a climatic finale whilst also hitting reset on just about everything from Awakens. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 2, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted January 2, 2018 11 minutes ago, Raver50032 said: Seen TLJ five times now. Good Lord. What did you do to deserve that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted January 2, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted January 2, 2018 The Poe/Hux 'comedy' is one of the worst things ever shat through a projector. That the movie starts with it suggests this is amongst the rarified group of films to begin with a low point. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted January 3, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted January 3, 2018 12 hours ago, Chindie said: The Poe/Hux 'comedy' is one of the worst things ever shat through a projector. That the movie starts with it suggests this is amongst the rarified group of films to begin with a low point. This. Also, why would anyone in the Star Wars universe know about "being on hold" ? i.e. on hold, on a telephone?!? It annoyed the s&*t out of me. Star Wars is a long, long time ago. Phones hadn't been invented. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 3, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted January 3, 2018 In my very small sample of people I know who have seen the films (about 10 people I reckon), it appears that the only people who really liked it were the really hardcore Star Wars fans. Anyone who isn't that fussed, like myself, seems to have not liked it very much. Is that representative of other people's views? I did say in my OP that the only good parts of the first 2 hours of the films were little nods to the old films and nostalgia bits, which probably was enough for massive fans of the franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumerican Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 So Luke wouldn't kill his own dad because he sensed a slither of goodness in him but he was ready to slice his nephew in half because he may be a bad egg ? Eff you Rian Johnson. What a crock of shit that film is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumerican Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 On 21/12/2017 at 00:02, dAVe80 said: Kevin Smith's review of TLJ is well worth a watch, if you've got a spare 90 mins. I watched this last night and I have to say I enjoyed his review far more than the actual film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straggler Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 (edited) Just because I am a horrible geek and was wondering about the science of that one bit in the Last Jedi....... Contains spoilers Edited January 13, 2018 by Straggler Spelling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 On 03/01/2018 at 08:29, Stevo985 said: In my very small sample of people I know who have seen the films (about 10 people I reckon), it appears that the only people who really liked it were the really hardcore Star Wars fans. Anyone who isn't that fussed, like myself, seems to have not liked it very much. Is that representative of other people's views? I did say in my OP that the only good parts of the first 2 hours of the films were little nods to the old films and nostalgia bits, which probably was enough for massive fans of the franchise. I’d say it’s the complete opposite tbh. People who enjoy in taking the piss out of and sneering at anyone who likes things too much (an obsessive) likes it because it makes the hardcore fans cry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 My brother-in-law is the biggest Star Wars fan I know, and he hated it. He even shared a petition on Facebook to have the film officially removed from the new trilogy. I know another huge Star Wars fan, who has a big sleeve of Star Wars tattoos, and he too thought it was dreadful. I wouldn’t say I’m a ‘hardcore’ Star Wars fan, as I struggle to remember most of the names of the characters outside the main cast, but I’d still say I’m a big Star Wars fan, and I was really disappointed. I think the majority of the people who loved it are just morons. (No offence to those people). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 6 hours ago, Ingram85 said: I’d say it’s the complete opposite tbh. People who enjoy in taking the piss out of and sneering at anyone who likes things too much (an obsessive) likes it because it makes the hardcore fans cry. Hardly sneering. But when people act like their childhoods are ruined, one realises the need for these people to grow up and get a life. I follow a film group on facebook and the star wars chat has been **** pathetic. Essay long dissections of why x or y is crap or ruining something for them. Absolute bores. Does anyone do this for any other type of films? Not even professional film critics go into the detail some of these emotionally stunted oddities do. Of course they're free to react however they want, but when they lose all sense of perspective about just a **** film which has a few flaws in it, it's just funny. Angry people are funny - when that anger isn't directedat something that matters like corruption or whatever. To clarify, nothing wrong with disappointment, annoyance etc that IS IN PROPORTION to a cultural product of about 2 hours long. It's Star Wars ffs, featuring squeaky toys, lasers and space fights. The film was entertaining, I enjoyed it, it had good bits, bad bits and a decent message. Obviously people respond differently, but I cannot fathom the case for saying it's like the worst film ever unless the viewer is bringing some utterly unrealistic expectations with them 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 An excellent dissection @Rodders B+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Amongst people I know, the people who obsessively love Star Wars all despise the film. Most people I know who can take or leave Star Wars (and I'm mostly in this group myself) think it's flawed but with good bits as well, which is where I'm at. It's too long, and the plot isn't exactly perfectly logical, but there's some great-looking planets and it rattles along okay. I think the whole debate illustrates a problem for Star Wars. The obsessives seemed to like the Abrams effort, I presume because it was basically just a rehash of everything they'd seen before. The first time someone had to actually write a new script - do something that's not just a cover version - and they hate it. Is that because of the film, or is that because of the obsessives, or a bit of both? Whatever, I don't think it bodes well for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunRickyRun Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 I had low expectations going in and it wasn't a horrible movie but doesn't really make sense in the context of the Star Wars universe. There's about forty five minutes of the film that should have ended up on the cutting room floor and the ending never delivered on it's long and slow build up. Crait and the casino scene could have easily been removed from the film with nothing taken away from the plot or character development. I wish they would go back to the formula that made the original so great , a reboot of Flash Gordon/Buck Rogers with a touch of Errol Flynn's Robin Hood, but I think the franchise is too old in the tooth to reinject the mystery and innocence of the first film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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