Star Wars: Disney Era

[hogso]

Saw it today. I'll say this; Kylo Ren is great. The character is great, his look is great, he's acted great. 

Other than that, well, it's almost as if Disney made a Star Wars film

[stuart_75]

Luke milking the nipple of a sea cow and drinking the milk.

Need I say any more?

Complete bobbins. The more I think about it, the more I hate it.

[Keyblade]

The Force Awakens was way better, but this one was good especially in the second half. I didn't like how Finn was relegated to something of a secondary character throughout the movie where he was front and center in the first one.

[ThunderPower_14]

2 hours ago, Keyblade said:

The Force Awakens was way better, but this one was good especially in the second half. I didn't like how Finn was relegated to something of a secondary character throughout the movie where he was front and center in the first one.

I think the biggest failure of the Canto Bight sequence isn't anything that actually happened in the sequence, it's that Rian Johnson didn't do enough early in the movie to remind everyone that Finn's primary motivation is to save Rey and then get the hell away from the First Order.

Remember that he's been unconscious since before the end of TFA.

The whole sequence is to change him from a selfish Stormtrooper deserter to fully buying in to the Resistance and how important it is, but a lot of people watching the film seem to miss the point of the Finn and Rose section and so it seems really superfluous.

It might also because the marketing for the film has Finn as one of the heroes so people naturally assume he's a hardened Resistance veteran at this point, but the lack of time lapse between the stories of TFA and TLJ mean everyone has forgotten he wasn't actually a member of the Resistance at all, and was only on Starkiller Base at all because he wanted to save Rey and convinced the Resistance leadership that he could deactivate the shields.

[Mozzavfc]

Help clear up a point 

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Does the kid at the end use the force to grab the broom or did I imagine it?

 

[tonyh29]

21 minutes ago, Mozzavfc said:

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Does the kid at the end use the force to grab the broom or did I imagine it?

 

 

I believe he used the force ... that or I also imagined it

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[ThunderPower_14]

1 hour ago, Mozzavfc said:

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Does the kid at the end use the force to grab the broom or did I imagine it?

 

It appears that way

[chrisvilla4]

Hugely disappointing for me. 

I took my son to his first big screen Star Wars film and it's one of the worst I've seen. 

so excited about us going and just felt meh. 

[Rob182]

I saw it Saturday, and I was disappointed. I think it's the first Star Wars film I've seen, where I've thought "This is really long". Even episodes 1-3 didn't have me thinking that (though I did watch them many years ago. Maybe I'd be more critical if I watched them again now).

 

Some of the main things that bugged me:

- I know Star Wars has always had funny parts, but in this film, it felt like every character was trying to drop a witty one-liner every few minutes. Poe and that purple hair woman saying "and a what now?" twice in about 10 minutes comes to mind.

- The story felt like it was all over the shop. It felt like we were barely kept in one place for more than ten minutes. I would have like to have seen 'something' else in the Luke and Rey scenes, as opposed to a two minute montage of Luke milking a cow, catching a fish and generally looking like a creepy peadophile.

- There wasn't enough Poe + Finn + Rey all together.

- The Disney-fied fuzzy creatures. The Force Awakens seemed to get the right balance of cute, friendly characters and also the gross, sloppy Jabba-type characters. This film seemed to push it a little too far into the eyes of a 5-year-old. 

- Luke's entire part 

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..and specifically. Luke's ending. To be honest, I'd like Luke to have lived throughout the whole of the Disney trilogy, with him being the one remaining, shining light at the end of it all. If Luke has to die, then I would have wanted him to go out in a huge bang, in a huge battle, lightsabers swinging and the force being used left, right & centre. Maybe that's unrealistic, given that he's been living under a rock for 30 years, but the way he fizzled out was one big disappointment, to me. I'm sure he'll return as a force ghost in the next one, but I don't want to see Luke like a little fuzzy Yoda or Obi Wan character. I want Luke in the flesh. (Okay, this is starting to sound a bit creepy. But you get what I mean).

 

I might go and see it a second time.

[Dodgyknees]

@Rob182

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Personally, I think Kylo should have taken Luke down properly. It would have made Kylo even more powerful. Rey could have sensed it when out the back and that was the catalyst for her lifting the rocks, desperation so she finds the will in the force to connect and do it. Leia could then have sensed Rey and told Poe, who got everybody moving. Leia looks back once last time at her son standing over Luke, before she follows.

 

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[Stevo985]

Just now, Dick said:

@Rob182

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Personally, I think Kylo should have taken Luke down properly. It would have made Kylo even more powerful. Rey could have sensed it when out the back and that was the catalyst for her lifting the rocks, desperation so she finds the will in the force to connect and do it. Leia could then have sensed Rey and told Poe, who got everybody moving. Leia looks back once last time at her son standing over Luke, before she follows.

 

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I think that woman who took over form Leia should have just told Poe the plan in the first place.

It was a perfectly good plan that he obviously would have been right behind. Then he wouldn't have sent Finn and that new bird on that crazy mission, destroyed that Casino city, endangered their lives by sending them to the enemy ship, got the codebreaker caught who then flipped  resulting in  half the rebel fleet being killed as they were fleeing and causing the bad guys (whatever they're called now) to be able to follow them to that new planet and kill a load more rebels almost wiping out the entire rebel force.

Literally the entire ending of the film (the only good part of the movie) was a result of that one ludicrous decision to not tell Poe what the completely reasonable, sensible plan was to escape the enemy.

It resulted in literally hundreds of rebel deaths.

 

But that's just me  

[Dodgyknees]

4 minutes ago, Stevo985 said:

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I think that woman who took over form Leia should have just told Poe the plan in the first place.

It was a perfectly good plan that he obviously would have been right behind. Then he wouldn't have sent Finn and that new bird on that crazy mission, destroyed that Casino city, endangered their lives by sending them to the enemy ship, got the codebreaker caught who then flipped  resulting in  half the rebel fleet being killed as they were fleeing and causing the bad guys (whatever they're called now) to be able to follow them to that new planet and kill a load more rebels almost wiping out the entire rebel force.

Literally the entire ending of the film (the only good part of the movie) was a result of that one ludicrous decision to not tell Poe what the completely reasonable, sensible plan was to escape the enemy.

It resulted in literally hundreds of rebel deaths.

 

 

 

 

But that's just me  

I agree

[darrenm]

26 minutes ago, Stevo985 said:

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I think that woman who took over form Leia should have just told Poe the plan in the first place.

It was a perfectly good plan that he obviously would have been right behind. Then he wouldn't have sent Finn and that new bird on that crazy mission, destroyed that Casino city, endangered their lives by sending them to the enemy ship, got the codebreaker caught who then flipped  resulting in  half the rebel fleet being killed as they were fleeing and causing the bad guys (whatever they're called now) to be able to follow them to that new planet and kill a load more rebels almost wiping out the entire rebel force.

Literally the entire ending of the film (the only good part of the movie) was a result of that one ludicrous decision to not tell Poe what the completely reasonable, sensible plan was to escape the enemy.

It resulted in literally hundreds of rebel deaths.

 

 

 

 

But that's just me  

 

21 minutes ago, Dick said:

I agree

Yes, also this.

But it was still great. The plot was very holey but it doesn't really matter.

But I think some people do just want the same old tired tropes with the right person dying at the right time in the right way. Films should do unexpected stuff sometimes.

[HanoiVillan]

I agree with both Stevo and Darren here. Yes, the plot had the enormous hole addressed above (and also

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even allowing for not telling Poe the plan (to be extremely charitable, maybe the purple-haired lady didn't realise he was daft enough to try what he did), why did she wait until more than half of the transports had been destroyed before having the very obvious idea of sacrificing herself? 

. . . but I don't like the idea of just rehashing other previous Star Wars movies. This one had massive flaws - and was at least 45 minutes too long - but the ending was fine and I thought all the planets looked great, and there were some good ideas in it. A 6/10 effort for me. 

[Stevo985]

18 minutes ago, darrenm said:

 

Yes, also this.

But it was still great. The plot was very holey but it doesn't really matter.

But I think some people do just want the same old tired tropes with the right person dying at the right time in the right way. Films should do unexpected stuff sometimes.

I don’t want any of that. I’m not married to any element of the Star Wars franchise. 

I want a film that isn’t boring for 2 hours and doesn’t rely on an outrageous plot point to show horn in a decent ending. 

This is not a good film. Star Wars nostalgia is all that it has going for it

[theboyangel]

Have finally got around to watching The Last Jedi and whilst the fan boy in me was disappointed with several elements of the storyline I thought it was visually strong and a good film. 

I took my kids (as now has become the tradition) and the looks on their faces during the film was all I needed to confirm the film was great.

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My 7yr old daughter was totally spellbound during the Smoke throne room scene!

They were totally absorbed and looked beyond the obvious flaws that 'adults' have got hung up over. 

For me, both Kylo Ren and Luke Skywalker were the highlights and portrayed beautifully. 

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Both the space casino and Mary Poppins Leia scenes were a little awful but were needed for the story arc and explanation (if handled clumsily)

I look forward to watching it again. 

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[Xela]

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[dAVe80]

Alfie Curtis, who played Doctor Cornelius Evazan in New Hope has died. RIP Pig Man.

[Rob182]

2 hours ago, HanoiVillan said:

I agree with both Stevo and Darren here. Yes, the plot had the enormous hole addressed above (and also

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even allowing for not telling Poe the plan (to be extremely charitable, maybe the purple-haired lady didn't realise he was daft enough to try what he did), why did she wait until more than half of the transports had been destroyed before having the very obvious idea of sacrificing herself? 

. . . but I don't like the idea of just rehashing other previous Star Wars movies. This one had massive flaws - and was at least 45 minutes too long - but the ending was fine and I thought all the planets looked great, and there were some good ideas in it. A 6/10 effort for me. 

I didn't want a rehashed star wars movie, but I just wanted something.... better. There are plenty of new and inventive things that could have happened to make it a good film, without rehashing previous episodes.

 

 

@theboyangel 

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I didn't mind the space casino. I viewed it in a similar way to the Cantina on Tatooine or Maz Kanata's castle in The Force Awakens.

 

Also.. 

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When the purple haired woman light-sped into the Empire, I found myself questioning whether that would be a plot-hole that someone would look into and then moan about. Is that in keeping with the previous films? I know Han puts the Falcon into lightspeed while inside a bigger ship, when they're fleeing those Irish chaps in TFA, but I'm trying to think of previous films and whether lightspeed has ever been done towards an object before... 

 

[Stevo985]

3 hours ago, HanoiVillan said:

 

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even allowing for not telling Poe the plan (to be extremely charitable, maybe the purple-haired lady didn't realise he was daft enough to try what he did), why did she wait until more than half of the transports had been destroyed before having the very obvious idea of sacrificing herself? 

. . . but I don't like the idea of just rehashing other previous Star Wars movies. This one had massive flaws - and was at least 45 minutes too long - but the ending was fine and I thought all the planets looked great, and there were some good ideas in it. A 6/10 effort for me. 

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Why would she not think that though? The entire premise was around how she thought he was so wild and impulsive and could fly off the handle. Telling him the plan to calm him down would be the obvious thing.
There is genuinely no reason I can think of that she wouldn't tell him. And everyone else on the ship for that matter too. 

It made absolutely no sense

 

You're right, the ending was the redeeming feature for me. I'd happily watch that part again, but if it meant sitting through the first 2 hours to get there? Nah, not for me.