V01 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Loved it Spoiler except for the casino part and BDTs character. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post wazzap24 Posted December 15, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 15, 2017 I thought it was an absolute triumph. Nothing happened as I thought it would and the twists and turns were unexpected throughout. A couple of minor disappointments, but it sets up a potentially brilliant final act. A modern day Empire. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dAVe80 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 Just back. I shed a tear. Don't even care. Loved it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ThunderPower_14 Posted December 16, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 16, 2017 I love that you guys love it as much as I do almost without exception. I'm reading so much stupid nitpicking on this on the internet at the moment and I can't help but jump in and fight the good fight. My thoughts: Spoiler Loved it. Loved the little bits of humour. Loved the big action set pieces. Loved that the made it look like they might copy ESB and ROTJ in bits and then completely turned those Star Wars tropes on their head so you really never knew what was coming next. I loved how they set it up for Ep9. As strange as the Leia "Mary Poppins" bit was, it was great to see her (and Snoke) use the force without the prequel standard backflipping lightsaber combat. The Emperor and Yoda were the two most powerful force users in the OT and neither of them used lightsabers, and then in the prequels the force was all about lightsaber battles. It was great to see Leia use the force in the way she did and I think that added to Luke's argument that the Jedi don't own the force. The Casino bit was probably a weaker part, but the more I think about it the more I think it was important for Finn's character. It was where Rose taught Finn what the Resistance was really all about and how and why it was so important. So instead of getting Finn flip flopping between wanting to run and being willing to die for his friends, he has a greater understanding of the rebellion. I hope this manifests in a good arc for Finn in Ep9. It was also good to see the impact Rose and Finn had on the street urchins. You assume the oppressed poor people of the galaxy will have a big say in the eventual Resistance victory. The Throne Room scene was so cool! I keep hearing people complain that Snoke died before we learned anything about him, but what we learned about Kylo Ren from that scene was so much more important to the story. I really enjoyed that entire arc where it was slowly being revealed how Kylo turned, and i'm looking forward to it's conclusion in Ep9. Cool battle with the guards afterwards as well. We'll no doubt hear more about Snoke in Ep9 as Kylo's arc completes. Adam Driver was brilliant and he really was the star of the film. Luke was perfect. Absolutely perfect. Written, directed and acted brilliantly. I think it was sad to see him die, but it completed his redemption back to the force after abandoning it for so long. Yoda returning as the cheeky, senile puppet tugged hard on the heartstrings after he was fairly bland and serious in the prequels. Perfectly executed. I think if they'd known Carrie Fisher was going to pass away, they'd have scrapped Laura Dern's character altogether and had Leia in that argument with Poe and eventual amazing kamikaze finish. It also occured to me that Admiral Akbar could have played that role. Holdo was a bit superfluous, but I felt she was played well. I'd also suggest Luke might have survived if they knew Carrie wouldn't be back for Ep9, but we'll undoubtedly have force ghost Luke having a prominent role in the movie. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 With each new success, the prequels are being made to look even worse. I wonder if eventually people won't even consider them part of the catalogue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 Far more devastating than Luke dying was Admiral Ackbar! Why! Just why! I have read that the intention of this trilogy was to give each of the Han, Luke Leia trifecta their own focus and send off. Leia's turn was meant to be episode 9. [/soiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 7 hours ago, maqroll said: With each new success, the prequels are being made to look even worse. I wonder if eventually people won't even consider them part of the catalogue. It really upsets me. The story of how vader came to be vader is potentially the best story in the star wars universe, throw in a time when jedi's were everywhere and it should be amazing and it was ruined. Seeing these films makes me really wish they'd done the prequels properly. Just seen the last jedi, not as good as i'd heard but still very enjoyable and had some fantastic moments. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderPower_14 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 12 hours ago, maqroll said: With each new success, the prequels are being made to look even worse. I wonder if eventually people won't even consider them part of the catalogue. 4 hours ago, DCJonah said: It really upsets me. The story of how vader came to be vader is potentially the best story in the star wars universe, throw in a time when jedi's were everywhere and it should be amazing and it was ruined. Seeing these films makes me really wish they'd done the prequels properly. Just seen the last jedi, not as good as i'd heard but still very enjoyable and had some fantastic moments. I'd be totally okay with them sending the prequels the way of the EU and completely redoing the story of the rise of Vader and the Empire. I'm fine with Anakin turning to the Dark Side to try to save a loved one, but he needs to be a bit stoic and strong about it instead of the whiny teenager we got. It also needs to line up with the continuity of the OT as well, like Leia remembering her mother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ingram85 Posted December 17, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 17, 2017 (edited) I’m going to sound like a butthurt fanboy now - and maybe I am - but the more I reflect on TLJ the more it falls apart. I think it may be the most stupid film in the entire series. It has some amazing moments and some truly Star Wars-y scenes but **** me there is a lot of crap in it. Del Toro - pointless Holdo - just tell Poe the plan then the mutiny never happens, the casino plan never happens and thousands of rebels being blown out the sky never happens, holdo having to sacrifice herself never **** happens! Just tell Poe the goddamn plan ffs! Argh!!! Snoke - Who is he? What is his background? We’ll never know now. How did he not sense the lightsaber turning right next to him? He can link two people across galaxies to make them think they are connected but can’t sense the oldest trick in the book happening centimetres from his side? Stupid. Casino planet - achingly bad. It’s a Disney/prequel mash up that just bores and annoys. Luke - ‘I’ll leave a map so if the rebels really need my help they can find me”. Rebels find Luke when they really need help “We really need help can you help us”?, Luke “Naaaaahhhhh”. His death didn’t feel weighty, had no impact at all and after 30-40 years of waiting for the payoff this was it? An oddly behaving Luke who sucks milk out of space cows tits and a death that’s about as impactful as accidentally treading on a snail. Space flight Leia - stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid......... When they opened the door to get her in why didn’t they all get sucked through via compression? Makes no sense at all. The humour is awful, way too much, way too weird and only about 10% were funny. Poe/Hux intercom was excruciatingly bad. Tone was all off. You had serious/grave moments punctuated by Marvel style gags which just killed the moment. Admiral Ackbar off screen death as well ffs! There is so much more wrong with this film, TFA while a retread was so much better for me, it set everything up for this sequel and Johnson came in and just fumbled it. He did a lot right, the visuals were great, the fight scenes were great, the throne room fight scene was exceptional. But he got so so much wrong, it almost comes across as arrogant that he wanted to piss all over where it was heading. Bloke is a hack imo. Thought overall he got it all wrong. It’s annoyed me. It thinks it’s smarter than it is. Johnson can **** off. Theres more but I’m spent now. I’m glad others enjoyed it but I’m secretly hoping JJ comes back for ep9 and gets it all back on course somehow. Edited December 17, 2017 by Ingram85 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wazzap24 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 @Ingram85 you’ll be pleased to know JJ is returning to do episode 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 Yeah I knew that but I said secretly as I know a hell of a lot of people are not happy he is coming back. At least I don’t have to waste my time watching Johnson’s separate trilogy now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 Loved it. Some of the humour was a bit annoying, feels like a Post Marvel trope in these films now but only a minor point. Otherwise the character arc development for many of them was great and a real plus. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 7 hours ago, Ingram85 said: I’m going to sound like a butthurt fanboy now - and maybe I am - but the more I reflect on TLJ the more it falls apart. I think it may be the most stupid film in the entire series. It has some amazing moments and some truly Star Wars-y scenes but **** me there is a lot of crap in it. Hide contents Del Toro - pointless Holdo - just tell Poe the plan then the mutiny never happens, the casino plan never happens and thousands of rebels being blown out the sky never happens, holdo having to sacrifice herself never **** happens! Just tell Poe the goddamn plan ffs! Argh!!! Snoke - Who is he? What is his background? We’ll never know now. How did he not sense the lightsaber turning right next to him? He can link two people across galaxies to make them think they are connected but can’t sense the oldest trick in the book happening centimetres from his side? Stupid. Casino planet - achingly bad. It’s a Disney/prequel mash up that just bores and annoys. Luke - ‘I’ll leave a map so if the rebels really need my help they can find me”. Rebels find Luke when they really need help “We really need help can you help us”?, Luke “Naaaaahhhhh”. His death didn’t feel weighty, had no impact at all and after 30-40 years of waiting for the payoff this was it? An oddly behaving Luke who sucks milk out of space cows tits and a death that’s about as impactful as accidentally treading on a snail. Space flight Leia - stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid......... When they opened the door to get her in why didn’t they all get sucked through via compression? Makes no sense at all. The humour is awful, way too much, way too weird and only about 10% were funny. Poe/Hux intercom was excruciatingly bad. Tone was all off. You had serious/grave moments punctuated by Marvel style gags which just killed the moment. Admiral Ackbar off screen death as well ffs! There is so much more wrong with this film, TFA while a retread was so much better for me, it set everything up for this sequel and Johnson came in and just fumbled it. He did a lot right, the visuals were great, the fight scenes were great, the throne room fight scene was exceptional. But he got so so much wrong, it almost comes across as arrogant that he wanted to piss all over where it was heading. Bloke is a hack imo. Thought overall he got it all wrong. It’s annoyed me. It thinks it’s smarter than it is. Johnson can **** off. Theres more but I’m spent now. I’m glad others enjoyed it but I’m secretly hoping JJ comes back for ep9 and gets it all back on course somehow. I've been reflecting on it today and my overwhelming feeling is disappointed. Agree with everything you have said. I don't get why so many critics absolutely love this. It really is so stupid in parts 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 On rotten tomatoes it has a lower audience rating than phantom menance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 A lot of the fanboy stuff and low ratings seems to be "that's not how the force works" come on son! it felt long, lots of drama and talky bits, really slow start, they seem to have so many pointless underdeveloped characters that are underused, not really a spoiler but what did Chewie actually do in this film? Also thought the main story which the film is based around (the chase) was really dull Despite all that its still ok, got a good end, some beautiful scenes but for me personally it's nowhere near as good as the last 2, wouldn't even put it in the same sentence as ESB saw someone famous on Twitter that I can't remember say it was the most rewatchable Star Wars film because there's so much going on, that certainly wasn't how I felt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDuck Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Saw it yesterday - good but not great. A little frustrating, as with a few tweaks I think it _could_ have been great. Not as good as Force Awakens or Rogue One for my money, but still very enjoyable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Even better on second viewing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Didn't really work for me somehow. Not 100% sure why but it just didn't feel right. It kinda felt like a movie with Star Wars characters, ships and aesthetics, but not like a Star Wars film... Certainly wasn't terrible, it was a fine matinee movie. It just wasn't Star Wars good. I really liked the Force awakens and Rogue One was also pretty good. This one was a step back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuart_75 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 I thought it was......meh Oh and Snoke said "spunk", make me chuckle. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 20, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted December 20, 2017 Just back from seeing TLJ. I’m a Star Wars fan and I’ve really enjoyed the two new films so far. I thought the last half an hour of TLJ was pretty decent. Apart from that I think it was the most boring film I’ve seen in years. And one of the major plot points made absolutely no sense. Very disappointed. By far the worst of the 3 newest films. Which is a shame as they’d been a real success in my book up until now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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