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On 22/02/2021 at 00:33, lapal_fan said:

I've been interviewed for the same job 3 times in the last month, after they saw my CV on LinkedIn.

First interview was an informal chat about the job, and it was said I'd be working for that company for 6 months and then once my probation was completed, I would be TUPD over to the actual job, which I was very wary of because I'm very happy with my current role, the team (but I'm underpaid somewhat, but in fairness, my current company are willing to fund my training this year and then have a chat in 6 months or so).

Second interview was with the same guy and the MD, which was fine, but very disorganised from their perspective.  It was quite awkward and ambled along.  Feedback was great and MD see's me as "one for the future".. that's good.  Found out the original job had changed and I'd be much more secure, which is good.

Third interview was with original guy plus 2 of the team I'd be working with, went ok, fine.  Finished with the guy asking me if I wanted the job or was flogging a dead horse.  Told him the offer would have to be right and that I was in no rush to leave my current job.

Thing is, the new job would be a nearly 50% raise, which is something I'm not used to, but there would be added pressure and responsibilities obviously.  My wife seems pretty convinced I should just "take it", and while I kinda agree, because the wages I'm on now aren't terrible, but about 5k under acceptable, I'm very happy in my current role, I'm doing a good job and I'm in a nice position.  If I go for the big bucks, new company will obviously expect me to excel, which I'm not sure I'll be able to.

Not even been offered yet, but I know what I'd need for me to say yes.  Then I'm not sure about how I'd go about taking that offer to my current employer and saying "match it.

Unknown territory really! 

The best way is to let your manager know that you are interviewing in advance and that the drivers are money plus more responsibility/interesting role (no one ever says just money).

When/if successful you can then follow up. Your organisation will then know whether:

1. They think you are worth keeping and have the ability to keep you (In my organisation we currently have a lot of restructure so i cant pay people to stay even if i want to).

2. They dont want to keep you.

3. They think you are bluffing. Your note above suggests you are not really that keen, any decent manager should also know this about you to be honest.

In my experience, if you pay people to stay in a role you dont ever keep them for that long. It doesnt address the other reasons for looking to leave and is often a short term fix. If you approached me and i couldnt really do anything else with your job to find out why you were off in the first place, id just let you go. 

 

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2 minutes ago, cheltenham_villa said:

 

In my experience, if you pay people to stay in a role you dont ever keep them for that long. It doesnt address the other reasons for looking to leave and is often a short term fix. If you approached me and i couldnt really do anything else with your job to find out why you were off in the first place, id just let you go. 

 

Spot on. From the employer's perspective it's only worth keeping them around if they have vital knowledge and you need time to have KT, you should definitely expect them to leave.

As an employee, I'd never, ever take a counter offer, because if the employer has any sense, I'd not get a promotion or interesting work after that, my card is marked and they'd be putting contingency in place for me leaving.

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On 22/02/2021 at 00:33, lapal_fan said:

 

Not even been offered yet, but I know what I'd need for me to say yes.  Then I'm not sure about how I'd go about taking that offer to my current employer and saying "match it.

Unknown territory really! 

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On 22/02/2021 at 00:33, lapal_fan said:

I've been interviewed for the same job 3 times in the last month, after they saw my CV on LinkedIn.

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Got a call from my old boss at a former employer, but he went off a year after I joined to start a new business, must have been oh what? 10 years now? 

He wants to interview me for a consultancy role for his business on Tuesday, but with his recruiting pro.

Not heard back from my 3 stage interview - must have absolutely flopped at the last! (It's been a week).

Not quite a bidding war for my exemplary services yet, but was close to one! (I'm shit at everything and in now way being serious about this). 

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I'm still plodding on with my job... got told i'm getting a payrise and a decent bonus, so can't complain, especially in the current environment!

 

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Due to IR35 I can no longer use my Ltd Co with end client,

Been given options of PAYE or Umbrella via an outfit called "Giant" Anyone have experience with Giant or if PAYE V's Umbrella would be most cost effective over 12 month contract? Cheers 

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During the phonecall last week while asking about how I did I was told I could get feedback during my dayshifts this week (yesterday and today).  Rumour around the department is that I came 2nd outperforming 2 people who already do the job as sickness/holiday cover. My boss decided to work from home yesterday and was too busy to see me today so has put me off until next week. Fully expecteing to have the same trouble sitting down with her next week.

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So I start my new job in the 15th of March. Yesterday i spoke to someone at my current employer about the shares that I've purchased, apparently because I've chose to leave the business I forefit the company's contributions to my shares as I've not held them for 3yrs. Apparently you are only classed as a "good leaver" if you've been made redundant or retired. 

I've held them since April 2018, so leaving the business in March rather than April has cost me £4k 😪

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I did manage to sit down with my boss last week, I did will in our scenario based questions getting the highest score on one of them. Made a big error on the behavioural questions by only giving one example for each question when the marking scheme required four. My presentation let me down, it didn't cover the marking criteria. I did come second but was a distance away from the successful applicant(4 years experience as an act up/deputy in the role). The two other unsuccessful applicants (12 months and 6 months experience in the role as act up/deputy) scored a lot less than me. I asked what would be open to me going forward that would make me more prepared next time and didn't get a positive response, my boss misconstrued the question to be me asking for one of the other unsuccessful applicants role. I need to ask my Duty Manager for training going forwards but I've done that before and it lasts a few days before they lose interest.

I had positive feedback in that I had demonstrably gone out of my way to gain knowledge of the role and our policies and procedures that you aren't expected to know until you're in the role, but that was followed by some harsh criticism. My reputation is poor.

I always do more than my fair share, bend over backwards to help out covering shifts. Haven't ever had a sick day or been late. Take on additional tasks to cover absences in the department on my own initiative.  None of this is recognised though because I've been known to dick around. 

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On 04/03/2021 at 14:40, Kingman said:

Due to IR35 I can no longer use my Ltd Co with end client,

Been given options of PAYE or Umbrella via an outfit called "Giant" Anyone have experience with Giant or if PAYE V's Umbrella would be most cost effective over 12 month contract? Cheers 

i worked under an umberella about 8 years ago. It was a good option at the time as it allowed to to be partly tax efficient but without the overhead of establishing a ltd company.

I know a lot of rules have changed in recent years, i was lead to believe their was very limited benefit in an umberella company now, youre basically paye with little opportunity to max benefits.

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13 hours ago, cheltenham_villa said:

i worked under an umberella about 8 years ago. It was a good option at the time as it allowed to to be partly tax efficient but without the overhead of establishing a ltd company.

I know a lot of rules have changed in recent years, any now, youre basically paye with little opportunity to max benefits.

Yeah massively changed, On top of the  statutory deductions they also want to load 13.8% Employers NI and 0.5% App levy on to the end candidate meaning you come away with approximately 53% of your day rate. 

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Bit of a tricky one for me. Been offered a promotion at work. My director is being moved to work on a new project (which sounds really interesting) and wants me to go with him to be his deputy, essentially. So it'll be an increase in grade, more responsibility, probably longer hours etc.

I basically said I was interested (which I am. Very interested). But have since been told there will be no increase in my salary.

I'm right to be annoyed about that aren't I? 

I'm going to bring it up again and get an official answer. But I'm not sure what to do. I don't want to turn it down because it's a big opportunity and I genuinely want to do the role. But I don't want to be denied something I'm entitled to

 

At a minimum I want them to agree to a pay review in 6 months or something. But I don't want to jeopardise the opportunity by making it sound like I only care about money

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3 minutes ago, Stevo985 said:

Bit of a tricky one for me. Been offered a promotion at work. My director is being moved to work on a new project (which sounds really interesting) and wants me to go with him to be his deputy, essentially. So it'll be an increase in grade, more responsibility, probably longer hours etc.

I basically said I was interested (which I am. Very interested). But have since been told there will be no increase in my salary.

I'm right to be annoyed about that aren't I? 

I'm going to bring it up again and get an official answer. But I'm not sure what to do. I don't want to turn it down because it's a big opportunity and I genuinely want to do the role. But I don't want to be denied something I'm entitled to

 

At a minimum I want them to agree to a pay review in 6 months or something. But I don't want to jeopardise the opportunity by making it sound like I only care about money

That’s fair, I think it’s cheeky of them asking you to step up in terms of responsibility and working hours without anything in return.

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On 04/03/2021 at 14:40, Kingman said:

Due to IR35 I can no longer use my Ltd Co with end client,

Been given options of PAYE or Umbrella via an outfit called "Giant" Anyone have experience with Giant or if PAYE V's Umbrella would be most cost effective over 12 month contract? Cheers 

I had to wind up my Ltd co for this exact same reason. Fortunately the end client made a very good offer to go "permie" so took it. Just finished the liquidation of the Ltd Co.

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37 minutes ago, Stevo985 said:

Bit of a tricky one for me. Been offered a promotion at work. My director is being moved to work on a new project (which sounds really interesting) and wants me to go with him to be his deputy, essentially. So it'll be an increase in grade, more responsibility, probably longer hours etc.

I basically said I was interested (which I am. Very interested). But have since been told there will be no increase in my salary.

I'm right to be annoyed about that aren't I? 

I'm going to bring it up again and get an official answer. But I'm not sure what to do. I don't want to turn it down because it's a big opportunity and I genuinely want to do the role. But I don't want to be denied something I'm entitled to

 

At a minimum I want them to agree to a pay review in 6 months or something. But I don't want to jeopardise the opportunity by making it sound like I only care about money

If you're going to be sacrificing more time, a higher level, more responsibility - regardless of "opportunity" (which is business for more work, for less gain) - then yea - I'd be irritated, but that's the culture we're in now - the seniors want more, for less.

Call them words removed but reluctantly accept is probably what I'd do - it's on your CV and you can jump ship soon is how I'd look at it.

**** shitty work bollocks - **** them. 

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If that's their game, I'd be checking what else is available out there.

Are you so well respected that you declining could realistically get them to change their mind, or are they likely to just find someone else?

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So after being interviewed 3 times with lots of different people for a role I mentioned upthread about 6 weeks ago, I called them and said "assuming I haven't got the job, where did I fall down and why haven't I received feedback yet" - turns out the job role has been put on hold for 2 weeks, they're changing the job spec (which tbf the job did change during the 3 interviews, from client based to central based reporting on multiple clients) and will be on hold for another 2 weeks, by which time I'll have an answer.  The feedback on the system was very positive, which has re-energised me and given me new hope.

The wages are (or were!) much more than my current salary, which I'd estimate are about 5-10k below the average for someone doing my job.  My job is strange though, I have responsibility to deliver the contract service, but I have no staff or budget responsibility, which I love because **** MONEY IN THE ASS.

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2 hours ago, Stevo985 said:

Bit of a tricky one for me. Been offered a promotion at work. My director is being moved to work on a new project (which sounds really interesting) and wants me to go with him to be his deputy, essentially. So it'll be an increase in grade, more responsibility, probably longer hours etc.

I basically said I was interested (which I am. Very interested). But have since been told there will be no increase in my salary.

I'm right to be annoyed about that aren't I? 

I'm going to bring it up again and get an official answer. But I'm not sure what to do. I don't want to turn it down because it's a big opportunity and I genuinely want to do the role. But I don't want to be denied something I'm entitled to

 

At a minimum I want them to agree to a pay review in 6 months or something. But I don't want to jeopardise the opportunity by making it sound like I only care about money

Does the role have clearly-defined performance targets? If not, do you think you could agree some?

I think you're entitled to ask for more compensation for more hours and more responsibility. But maybe you could meet them halfway by asking them to review in 6 or 12 months, depending on certain targets being met.

I don't like the situation they are forcing you into. I have taken more hours and more responsibility for no extra pay before, and my 'rocky' relationship with the company became just a bad relationship after that. Every late night I worked, every arsey phone call from the bosses I received, I couldn't get over that I had previously not needed to do anywhere near as much of it, for exactly the same money.

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7 hours ago, Stevo985 said:

Been offered a promotion ... My director ... wants me to go with him to be his deputy, essentially. So it'll be an increase in grade, more responsibility, probably longer hours...be no increase in my salary.

I'm right to be annoyed about that aren't I? 

Depends how you look at it. Reading between the lines they either take you for a fool, or they think you’re smart. If you’re smart (you are) then they’d expect you to point out “you want me to do more, take on more responsibility, have a higher grade title, yet you either don’t think me doing more for the company is something you feel is worth funding (we both know you know it is), or alternatively you do accept that the additional responsibility, higher grade, longer hours are areas you accept you need to pay for, and you’re testing me to just to confirm that I am smart enough to recognise what you know to be true and that you will act accordingly and sort out an appropriate increase in line with the higher role and responsibilities”

so I’m saying treat it as a game, rather than an insult. Don’t be annoyed, be smart.

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