sidcow Posted February 18, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted February 18, 2021 (edited) From the most advanced rover ever created by mankind, I can't help but feel a little bit disappointed by it's first photo Edited February 18, 2021 by sidcow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumerican Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Just now, limpid said: The vibration has no external cause it is a property of the field; like flavours are to quarks. But let us know how your research pans out The thing that sounded like gobbledegook to me learning that the quantum equations describing the behaviour of electrons can be solved to show that there is only one electron. In the whole of spacetime. Well there's only one electron in Texas at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted February 18, 2021 Administrator Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Brumerican said: Well there's only one electron in Texas at the moment. And it's shivering. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumerican Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Just now, sidcow said: From the most advanced rover ever created by mankind, I can't help but feel a little bit disappointed by it's first photo Sent from Arizona using my Nokia 3210. That is quite poor really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumerican Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Pretty sure Bowie was alive for previous Mars Rovers ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted February 18, 2021 Moderator Share Posted February 18, 2021 8 minutes ago, limpid said: The vibration has no external cause it is a property of the field; like flavours are to quarks. But let us know how your research pans out The thing that sounded like gobbledegook to me learning that the quantum equations describing the behaviour of electrons can be solved to show that there is only one electron. In the whole of spacetime. Yeah, exactly what I was going to post, thanks for saving me the trouble.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumerican Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Mars is just above the Moon right now and there's clear skies for once here in Cambridgeshire. Still can't see much even if I squint. Will have to take NASA's word for it I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ml1dch Posted February 18, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 hour ago, sidcow said: From the most advanced rover ever created by mankind, I can't help but feel a little bit disappointed by it's first photo You just had to wait a bit. 1 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted February 19, 2021 Moderator Share Posted February 19, 2021 13 hours ago, limpid said: The vibration has no external cause it is a property of the field If it is a property of the field, then I assume the field must be in some way unstable, or changing? So what is causing that change or instability? Everything I can think of that is unstable or changing is changed by another thing - whether it's the light from a Star, the Sun, an electrical or magnetic field, a flickering flame, a rusting metal, whatever... educate me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted February 19, 2021 Administrator Share Posted February 19, 2021 4 hours ago, blandy said: If it is a property of the field, then I assume the field must be in some way unstable, or changing? So what is causing that change or instability? Everything I can think of that is unstable or changing is changed by another thing - whether it's the light from a Star, the Sun, an electrical or magnetic field, a flickering flame, a rusting metal, whatever... educate me The field changes through interaction with the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted February 19, 2021 Moderator Share Posted February 19, 2021 14 minutes ago, limpid said: The field changes through interaction with the field. With itself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted February 19, 2021 Administrator Share Posted February 19, 2021 1 hour ago, blandy said: With itself? Other parts of itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted February 19, 2021 Moderator Share Posted February 19, 2021 1 minute ago, limpid said: Other parts of itself. How can a fundamental element (not chemical element, just element) have different parts , yet still be the "one" thing? As in "an atom is the one thing" - well actually there are electrons, protons, nucleus,... quarks - so they are each actually things, and the atom is not, the atom is a collection of smaller things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ml1dch Posted February 19, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 19, 2021 @sidcow Slightly more impressive footage: 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted February 19, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted February 19, 2021 9 minutes ago, ml1dch said: @sidcow Slightly more impressive footage: Never anybody about on a weekday, it's got the place to itself. Come the weekend it'll be rammed with Martians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumerican Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Is that noise added ? Mars sounds like a Beta Band jam session ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted February 19, 2021 Administrator Share Posted February 19, 2021 1 hour ago, blandy said: How can a fundamental element (not chemical element, just element) have different parts , yet still be the "one" thing? As in "an atom is the one thing" - well actually there are electrons, protons, nucleus,... quarks - so they are each actually things, and the atom is not, the atom is a collection of smaller things. I don't really understand what you are asking so I suspect we are at difference of definitions. The field has attributes. Like quarks have attributes. One of the attributes of the field is called vibration. It doesn't means vibration like a string vibrates (in a medium), it doesn't mean vibration like resonant frequencies, it just means that they are oscillating between "states" (I can't remember the name off hand but like super positions). Like quarks don't actually have charm - it's simply a name. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lichfield Dean Posted February 20, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted February 20, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, Brumerican said: Is that noise added ? Mars sounds like a Beta Band jam session ! Yeah it's fake. It's a panned panorama from a previous rover with noise from some other mission added. There is no video from Percy yet. This is clearly fake as you can see tracks in the distance and Percy hasn't gone anywhere yet. Edit: I say fake - it isn't fake as such, it is from Mars, it just isn't from the new rover. Edited February 20, 2021 by Lichfield Dean 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted February 20, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted February 20, 2021 20 hours ago, Lichfield Dean said: Yeah it's fake. It's a panned panorama from a previous rover with noise from some other mission added. There is no video from Percy yet. This is clearly fake as you can see tracks in the distance and Percy hasn't gone anywhere yet. Edit: I say fake - it isn't fake as such, it is from Mars, it just isn't from the new rover. I was wondering as I've been on the NASA website for Perseverance and there doesn't seem to be much on it other than what we saw yesterday. If that's the standard of footage we can expect (or indeed better) it's going to be quite a site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lichfield Dean Posted February 20, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted February 20, 2021 26 minutes ago, sidcow said: I was wondering as I've been on the NASA website for Perseverance and there doesn't seem to be much on it other than what we saw yesterday. If that's the standard of footage we can expect (or indeed better) it's going to be quite a site. I think we're going to be amazed at what we see. The picture of the rover dangling under the sky crane is actually part of a movie of the landing, it's just taking time to get it all sent back home. And the main rover cameras are supposedly very good, but haven't been deployed yet. I'm really looking forward to seeing what comes back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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