ianrobo1 Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 we need a third option neither good pro, average premier league footballer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrogers Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 we need a third option neither good pro, average premier league footballer Same as Petrov, except he is below average!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BigJim Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 we need a third option neither good pro, average premier league footballer Agreed. For some reason he fired everybody's imagination when he arrived, including mine. Unfortunately he just didn't have the full range of qualities or skills needed to be a top striker in England. Most people love him so much thay have constantly overlooked that. For me, he has been a disappointment overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maliciousgossip Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 A floppy haired flop. He's also in his time turned in some of the most pitiful performances i've ever seen in a Villa shirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 we need a third option neither good pro, average premier league footballer Same as Petrov, except he is below average!! Just out of interest, what has Stan Petrov got to do with anything in this thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 Nothing afaik. Why do you bring him up Michelsen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinity-Tom Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 we need a third option neither good pro, average premier league footballer That's it in a nutshell really. Two good seasons out of 6 does not make him a hero for me. Sure, it can be argued that injuries and managerial issues limited his impact at the club and that had we had better players at the club then he would have performed much better but at the end of the day he is no Ian Taylor, no Paul McGrath, no David Platt, no Sid Cowans, no Paul Merson. Overall, performance wise, I would argue that Solano made almost as big an impact and it is clear that Yorke was a much better striker but neither of these are heroes in my eyes and I bet that goes for most others. Sure Angel didn't leave under a cloud like these two and I would be surprised if he did but that doesn't change my opinion on him. At £9.5 million, I would have expected more in the 6 years he has been here. The price isn't his fault but it must ultimately be a consideration after 6 years at Villa as to whether or not he was a flop. He may be a nice guy who put in some excellent performances but he is up there with the likes of Carbone, Hitzlsperger etc... Some fond memories but unlikely to be sorely missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atalbot01 Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 Let me be honest.. I really like the bloke, and really wanted him to be a great Villa Player... his touch has always been exemplorary.. and he does genuinely love wearing the shirt... However 1 season apart, he has been a flop in my view.. not enough goals.. has never really posed a threat to the defences of the good teams.. His goal tally has be skewe by the fact that he has netted a few braces in the League Cup against poor opposition... As I said.. I really want to hit the the hero button.. and still really want it to work for him at Villa... but I have to be hinest with myself and say that he hasnt justified the money spent.. and probably never will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David-Copenhagen Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 Hero for his behavior and personality, but he has not done the bizz on a regular basis so he is a flop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 What are you saying, Tarj? Can't say I quite follow you, mate. Just wanted to know why Nick felt the need to go off topic just to take a dig at Stan Petrov, is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slowandlow Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 someone said legendary goals too. Thats a joke, he has scored some v. good goals (e.g. Chelsea, Everton) but i doubt they will go down in villa folklore. And dont say what about coventry or bolton. The former was irrelevant in sending them down cus they were mathematically relegated irrespective of the result anyway and the latter was a fluke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinity-Tom Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 Thinking about it, I would describe JPA as a role model for young Pro's and fans to look up to due to his attitude and commitment but that is something completely different to a hero in my eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 the latter was a fluke. Bollocks was it. And what does the importance of the goal have to do whether it was good or not? The fact that Everton were dead and buried, does that mean that goal wasn't good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 but he has not done the bizz on a regular basis so he is a flop. Do tell me what Villa player the last 10 years which has done the biz on a regular basis? Merson? Taylor? We have had a lot of flops havent we. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 someone said legendary goals too. Thats a joke, he has scored some v. good goals (e.g. Chelsea, Everton) but i doubt they will go down in villa folklore. And dont say what about coventry or bolton. The former was irrelevant in sending them down cus they were mathematically relegated irrespective of the result anyway and the latter was a fluke. Think you have a very short memory span there. Oh well it was all flukes anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slowandlow Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 the latter was a fluke. Bollocks was it. And what does the importance of the goal have to do whether it was good or not? The fact that Everton were dead and buried, does that mean that goal wasn't good? The goal was a fluke IMO, say it is bollocks all you want. I dunno what the **** you're going on a bout after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slowandlow Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 someone said legendary goals too. Thats a joke, he has scored some v. good goals (e.g. Chelsea, Everton) but i doubt they will go down in villa folklore. And dont say what about coventry or bolton. The former was irrelevant in sending them down cus they were mathematically relegated irrespective of the result anyway and the latter was a fluke. Think you have a very short memory span there. Oh well it was all flukes anyway. Why the short memory span, i might have got something wrong, if i have i apologise, but i dont think i have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 but he has not done the bizz on a regular basis so he is a flop. Do tell me what Villa player the last 10 years which has done the biz on a regular basis? Merson? Taylor? We have had a lot of flops havent we. I agree with that, Tarj. Maybe JPA isn't a Villa hero and maybe he isn't a fantastic footballer. But he did his best and produced his fair share of fine football for us. Juan Pablo Angel certainly isn't a Villa flop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinity-Tom Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 but he has not done the bizz on a regular basis so he is a flop. Do tell me what Villa player the last 10 years which has done the biz on a regular basis? Merson? Taylor? We have had a lot of flops havent we. This is where the problem lies. The fact you state is true but that is not a justification either for or against whether JPA is a flop or not. JPA cost £9.5 million and is therefore a bigger "flop" in many peoples eyes than many other players. For the money paid, I would suggest Stone, Collymore, Balaban to name 3 to be much bigger "flops" than JPA (they are incomparable) but that players such as Merson, Dublin, Mellberg to name 3 are not "flops" as they performed consistently and in my opinion justified the price tag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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