Awol Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 I can't see what the West can do if Russia decide to step in and take it. Nothing at all. Whatever the west might be prepared to do, the Russians will go one further. Ukraine is their near abroad and a potentially existential threat if in the 'wrong' hands - like NATO. It's not that important to the west, therefore they'll get thrown under the bus of realpolitik if the Russians decide to up the ante. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 I love the fact the media have called them pro-EU protesters take building in Kiev but pro-russian gunmen take building in Crimea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 I can't see what the West can do if Russia decide to step in and take it. Nothing at all. Whatever the west might be prepared to do, the Russians will go one further. Ukraine is their near abroad and a potentially existential threat if in the 'wrong' hands - like NATO. It's not that important to the west, therefore they'll get thrown under the bus of realpolitik if the Russians decide to up the ante. I definitely think that with the Russian fleet being in Sevastopol they are as likely to give up the Crimea as the Americans are to give back the Philippines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Not sure if I'm being WAH'ed, but the USN pulled out of Subic Bay in Phil' a long time ago. Uniformed armed men with Anti Tank weapons (who the locals said looked like Russian Paras) have taken control of government buildings in the Crimea, withRussian naval infantry are roaming around the area in columns of armoured BTR-80's. May have been a hasty by saying Putin wouldn't be THAT stupid... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 I thought the word was that the Russian army would struggle to penetrate Katie Price ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Kiev reporting that Russian forces have seized the airports in Crimea - source is BBC radio. Looks like Putin is indeed planning to annex a part of Ukraine. Wonder what the local military will do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Wonder what the local military will do? Nowt. Russian's sent forces in with no opposition at all. The place is occupied and there is nothing to be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted February 28, 2014 Author Share Posted February 28, 2014 Stunned by this, really. It's Cold War maneuvering all over again. What's the end game there, a split, like Sudan? Does the West just let Putin roll into Kiev now? What western leader is going to want to actually propose armed engagement with the Russians over this? He saw how the west flinched on Syria, so he thinks he can get away with this and maybe more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electric Avenue Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Let's see how the US respond to this . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Electric Avenue Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Cold War MK II . This should give the makers of CoD loads more material Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 If it means more John Le Carré books then I'm in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomaspg Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 I thought the word was that the Russian army would struggle to penetrate Katie Price ? Never underestimate numbers and a lack of respect for human life, im sure the russian military can pull out some havok if they want too. Dont see europe beeing able to handel them easily if it came too it, which im sure it wont ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfisher Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 (edited) Britain and America have no moral ground to stand on when lecturing anybody about military invasions. Edited March 1, 2014 by Kingfisher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electric Avenue Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 NATO will definitely shy away from this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Is there a river in the area? If so it should be called Crimea River. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electric Avenue Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 It's ok lads panic over , William Hague is on his way out there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Russian's sending more troops in & taking over Ukrainian anit-aircraft missile units. Crimea moved refendum vote to the end of March. Ukraine doing nowt.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 It's ok lads panic over , William Hague is on his way out there He's obliged to, the UK is one of the signatories to an agreement guaranteeing the territorial integrity of Ukraine. From wiki: Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances is an international treaty signed on February, 5, 1994, in Budapest by Ukraine, the United States of America, Russia, and the United Kingdom concerning the nuclear disarmament of Ukraine and its security relationship with the signatory countries. According to the memorandum, Russia, the USA, and the UK confirmed, in recognition of Ukraine becoming party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons and in effect abandoning its nuclear arsenal to Russia, that they would: Respect Ukrainian independence and sovereignty within its existing borders. Refrain from the threat or use of force against Ukraine. Refrain from using economic pressure on Ukraine in order to influence its politics. Seek United Nations Security Council action if nuclear weapons are used against Ukraine. Refrain from the use of nuclear arms against Ukraine. Consult with one another if questions arise regarding these commitments. It would appear Putin has decided to tear this up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 So we are sending the Light Brigade over? No good is going to come from this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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