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Michael Laudrup leaves Swansea.


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Just realised Swansea also virtually have one foot in the FA Cup Quarters. There has to be more going on here than footballing reasons.

Their is, he refused to commit his future to the club and the club banned his agent from being involved in anything last summer

But in football terns since the cup win, 36 games, 8 wins 8 draws & 20 defeats, over a season that would run you the risk of relegation (see us under McLeish), and then according to planetswans forum he lost Interest in being their

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It was Circus Laudrup from day 1. Differences between Laudrup, his staff and Laudrup's bat shit crazy friend/agent Tutumla .. now apparently also infighting between players. Every week there were several new stories about Laudrup either leaving, being fired or chased by a big football club ..

 

No club wants such a media circus.

 

Laudrup was an incredible techinically gifted player, but he lacked blood, sweat and tears fight. That's pretty much also how he coaches his Spanish armada and how his teams always try to play. Ineffective Tika Taka in own half, without any fight nor creating chances going forward.

 

I am personally surprised he lasted this long. He usually lasts about 12 month, before he's either fired or leaves because of a break down between him and club management.

 

Was a great player. Is a terrible, over-rated manager. IMHO.

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Europa League is a real poison chalice. Can teams decline it even if they qualify?

 

 

Some might say it was engineered to be season destroying so the teams knocking on the door of the Champions League would have a real difficult time actually qualifying for it.  Oh Spurs, you have a such a good team at the moment, you might knock Manchester United off of their perch. Here, how about a Thursday night away game in Belarus? Take another one in Bulgaria while you are at it. 

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Hmmmm, would Uefa be so scurrilous ?

 

 

Yes, especially if their cash cows like Manchester United, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich et all lobbied really hard for it. Which they did.  The one delicious irony is that Liverpool were almost certainly part of the group too and have spent the last four years being screwed by a system they helped create. 

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Hmmmm, would Uefa be so scurrilous ?

Yes, especially if their cash cows like Manchester United, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich et all lobbied really hard for it. Which they did. The one delicious irony is that Liverpool were almost certainly part of the group too and have spent the last four years being screwed by a system they helped create.

Doesn't explain UCL group stage failures dropping down. And awarding a UCL spot to the winner

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So taking them to their 2nd highest placement in their entire history and winning a major trophy for the first time was not good enough for Laudrup then. One bad run and sacked. So WBA who came 8th, sacked Clarke. Swans came 9th and sacked Laudrup. Villa come 15th and Lambert will get a new contract if he wants one. You cannot argue that Lambert has had a lot of moral backing at least (maybe not in money) from the Villa board.

It's all about situations. He took them to the highest finish, but he also took them over when they were in the best situation in their history.

 

Yes, and he improved the situation plus winning a nice shiny thing as well. Which I have forgotten Villa ever doing. Okay they are not doing very well at the moment, but that was to be expected due to the Europa league commitments. They would have stayed up under him coming about 14th but they could slide down now. But there has appeared to be tensions for a while and Swansea are usually a fairly sensible club under Jenkins so I guess there is more than meets the eye on this one.

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What a bizarre move by Swansea.

 

Could drop like a stone if they don't get the right man in.

 

 

Far from bizarre from swansea, he inherited a very good team set in their style and they did well for a season. Now he's got his own players together they are very poor and nothing like the swansea of last season, didn't want to commit and was probably going to bail in the summer anyway. poor record in the last 30-40 games aswell.

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Hmmmm, would Uefa be so scurrilous ?

Yes, especially if their cash cows like Manchester United, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich et all lobbied really hard for it. Which they did. The one delicious irony is that Liverpool were almost certainly part of the group too and have spent the last four years being screwed by a system they helped create.

Doesn't explain UCL group stage failures dropping down. And awarding a UCL spot to the winner

 

 

the winner is likely to be from one of the clubs dropping down from the group stage.

 

those clubs that do drop down are in the top four anyway and have the squad to cope.

 

the point about it destroying the season of the teams challenging the top four is their team has not yet developed the squad strength (without the financial pull and draw of Champions League competition) to compete in two competitions.

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Shouldnt of been sacked this sacking culture is ridiculas and is screwing up the game.

 

Swansea are about where they should be imo and one of the main reasons they weren't in this position before is because michu was on fire.

 

If you have a player in world class form it makes it so easy to win games.

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Hmmmm, would Uefa be so scurrilous ?

Yes, especially if their cash cows like Manchester United, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich et all lobbied really hard for it. Which they did. The one delicious irony is that Liverpool were almost certainly part of the group too and have spent the last four years being screwed by a system they helped create.

Doesn't explain UCL group stage failures dropping down. And awarding a UCL spot to the winner

 

 

 

It's the group stages of the Europa League which kill the seasons of those clubs who qualify for it.  Dropping into the competition at a late stage when the fixtures  virtually mirror the Champions League schedule is nothing really, it's two extra games spread over a calendar month.  If you are in the competition from the start then I think it is 21 games to win the Europa League.  It's 15 to win the Champions League. 

 

Champions League drop-outs have won about half of the UEFA/Europa finals since the system was introduced too (they won it in 2000, 2002, 2005, 2009, 2010 & 2013) and both teams in last seasons final had dropped out of the Champions League.  It's a nice sweetener for the clubs above the glass ceiling. 

 

 

The whole system is crap really. The Champions League is great if you are in it, but it was created because it seemed more people were interested in the old UEFA Cup than the old European Cup (which was supposed to be the flagship competition) because there were a lot more glamorous fixtures in it. When UEFA merged the two competitions to create the Champions League then they were left with a second string competition which was always going to be shitty.  When Champions League money started to go crazy, lets say from the late 1990s, then the teams who were in it created a group called G14 and tried to set up systems which would help them to qualify for it every year.  Big increases in squad and bench sizes in domestic leagues was one of them but shitting on the group of clubs directly beneath them was another.

 

The Europa league is designed to **** clubs like Spurs, Everton and even ourselves as we found out around 2009/10. It's a huge slog of fixtures over far flung corners of Europe with very little financial reward which makes assembling a squad to deal with it almost impossible. It's going to affect domestic form and make qualification for the big cup just that bit more difficult.  Liverpool are having their best season in years, is it coincidence that it happens to be in a year they have no Europa League campaign? 

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The_Rev is correct about the stupid Europa league. Swansea have played 11 or 12 more official games this season than Villa. That's huge, they don't have the squad for it and were always going to suffer, just like Newcastle did last season and just like Everton will likely do next season. The financial rewards of the competition aren't nearly enough to compensate for the cost of assembling a squad that can cope with the schedule.

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I assume this was done because Laudrup was clearly going to leave in the summer so the Chairman "got in early" and booted him out. Not a good decision and he was have been better off calling a truce until the summer and then both could have parted ways. I agree with posts above that say laudrup is over rated as a manager but saying that he's not a bad manager either. Signed some decent players and has done well but has no plan 'B' when things aren't going well. The Europa league is a poison chalice and I'm surprised more clubs don't just send the kids in the early rounds, get knocked out and pay the tiny fine you'd get from UEFA.

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