smetrov Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 On balance there have worse penalty decision - as a villa supported I don't think Guzan touched him.....I seen on a liverpool site that 40% of liverpools fans think he dived -......whatever its done.... However where Did Alan Shearer get 'Guzan Took him with his leg' from ? - that was never up for debate.....? an Idiotic comment......what ate these pundits paid for?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Lions_Roar Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 My Liverpool supporting mate said it looked a definate penalty when he was there, once he saw the really he said he dived. But he refused to slate Suarez, he even used it to gloat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djdabush Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Best advice is ignore everything Shearer says, pretty much the worst pundit out there. I'm not sure why TV execs have an obsession with employing ex players as pundits and commentators, Neville aside they are generally pretty poor and only seem to point out the obvious and Shearer is the absolute worst for it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 BBC website match report doesn't mention the word "dive" or "cheat" either. Quelle surpreeeeeze. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lp_villa830 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Didn't he say something about Suarez shouldn't need to vault over Guzan too. He ran past him him their was no need too, Shearers' an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted January 19, 2014 Moderator Share Posted January 19, 2014 I need to see it again as I'm still unsure. At the very least I won't give the ref stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 I think he dived and could have stayed on his feet when Guzans knee touched his foot but I recon we would be calling for a penalty if it was up the other end. It's not the biggest injustice I've seen and goes down as one of those things that happens in football for me. Suarez is definitely a prick though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Alan Shearer: "I think it is a penalty. I think you've got to give the benefit of the doubt to Suarez there. I know he's gone down too easy at times. 'If Guzan's going to be silly enough to come rushing out like that on a wet pitch, sliding out. What is Suarez expected to do here? Is he meant to jump over him and get out of the way and hurdle out of the way, so he doesn't make contact with him? 'Part of a forward's job is is when you're racing towards the ball with a goalkeeper, part of your job is to try and get there first and toe poke the ball past him. Then the keeper's got a problem. Because once the keeper goes down, he's not in control of his body." Yes. Suarez can easily jump over him and still be in control of the ball. What a bloody stupid point. To think, he got paid for all that. He anticipated the dive and deliberately conned the referee. Ashley Young does the same thing. It's not just about diving theatrically under minimal contact, it's about players willing to throw their bodies into players to simulate contact. It's worse than diving. Lee Dixon @LeeDixon2 16h@StanCollymore no pen for me sucked the keeper off the line. Got the touch. Then stated to go down. Pre meditated dive. IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyshaw Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 The referee gets one chance so you can not blame him and I have to admit I thought penalty at first but having seen replays I am certain he dives. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 didnt shearer also say that guzan didnt pull his arm away? shearer was an idiot last night, but MOTD in general didnt cover themselves in glory lineker was an absolute bell end on twitter all evening, all 3 of them nodded and said yeah thats a penalty rather than trying to have a debate, then the "thats your prerogative" bullshit, they didnt even try and show / discuss suarez's form for diving still havent got round to watching goals on sunday, but MOTD is now ridiculously far past its sell by date and i dont see how it can claw it back without a complete overhaul 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarpie Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 This is why football definitely needs video referiing, it takes just 10-30 seconds to get info to the ref. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 The referee gets one chance so you can not blame him and I have to admit I thought penalty at first but having seen replays I am certain he dives. Agreed. In summary: I thought it was a peno at first viewing Ref gave it and couldn't really blame him based on what he would have seen Guzan was stupid to even go in for that challenge HOWEVER Suarez did dive. It was cheating. It was opportunistic, I agree that there's plenty of others who would have gone down, but it's still cheating. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 This is why football definitely needs video referiing, it takes just 10-30 seconds to get info to the ref. i think the opposite, i think this is why video refs wont work if shearer or lineker was the video ref for example... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 This is why football definitely needs video referiing, it takes just 10-30 seconds to get info to the ref. i think the opposite, i think this is why video refs wont work if shearer or lineker was the video ref for example... I see your point. But referees follow the laws of the game. Pundits talk utter crap and get it wrong over 50% of the time. 99% of referees would agree upon one decision if given the clear facts of the scenario. I used to referee and we would discuss these sorts of things in meetings. I agree there is still scope for differing opinion but the referees need help now that players are so good at diving. It's impossible to call in a split second 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Lions_Roar Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Alan Shearer: "I think it is a penalty. I think you've got to give the benefit of the doubt to Suarez there. I know he's gone down too easy at times. 'If Guzan's going to be silly enough to come rushing out like that on a wet pitch, sliding out. What is Suarez expected to do here? Is he meant to jump over him and get out of the way and hurdle out of the way, so he doesn't make contact with him? 'Part of a forward's job is is when you're racing towards the ball with a goalkeeper, part of your job is to try and get there first and toe poke the ball past him. Then the keeper's got a problem. Because once the keeper goes down, he's not in control of his body." Yes. Suarez can easily jump over him and still be in control of the ball. What a bloody stupid point. To think, he got paid for all that. He anticipated the dive and deliberately conned the referee. Ashley Young does the same thing. It's not just about diving theatrically under minimal contact, it's about players willing to throw their bodies into players to simulate contact. It's worse than diving.Lee Dixon @LeeDixon2 16h@StanCollymore no pen for me sucked the keeper off the line. Got the touch. Then stated to go down. Pre meditated dive. IMO Its funny how strikers and defenders see it differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danwichmann Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 The referee gets one chance so you can not blame him and I have to admit I thought penalty at first but having seen replays I am certain he dives. You're right and I don't blame the referee for that, I blame Suarez for setting out to deliberately con the referee. (Although the ref was poor overall, can't blame him for the pen). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electric Avenue Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 My initial reaction when it happened on TV in real time was definite pen. Only seeing the replay a few times do you see the dive. Very difficult for Ref's to make these decisions. Did the Lino flag ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chap of Steel Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 I think Pat Nevin probably gets it right: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25802012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 I think Pat Nevin probably gets it right: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25802012 The rest are pretty embarrassing. More defence of Suarez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chap of Steel Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 I think Pat Nevin probably gets it right:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25802012The rest are pretty embarrassing. More defence of Suarez.Agreed, particularly surprising as they have presumably watched numerous replays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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