TJVillan Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 (edited) The fact that he's from League 1 is no indication of his ultimate capability. He could take the premier league in his stride for whomever he plays for. In short, you never know what you're capable of until you're put in that situation. This. Jack Grealish, widely regarded as a future Villa star, is currently playing for a team at the bottom of league 1. Nakhi Wells is tearing up the same division. Edited January 7, 2014 by TJVillan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 He could take the premier league in his stride for whomever he plays for. How many times has a league 1 player come and taken the top level in their stride? None of ones we've signed have. The fact that he's from League 1 is no indication of his ultimate capability. He could take the premier league in his stride for whomever he plays for. In short, you never know what you're capable of until you're put in that situation. My grandfather never thought he could shoot down a German plane, but last year he proved us all wrong. This. Jack Grealish, widely regarded as a future Villa star, is currently playing for a team at the bottom of league 1. Nakhi Wells is tearing up the same division. Isn't Grealish 5 years younger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanBalaban Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 We've already got a squad full of players barely able to cope at this level. Do we really need to gamble on more? Agree with this, can we not sign proven quality at this level? Is it too much to ask of this inept manager? But it's a cover signing for Kozak. Not a first choice player. I would hope we sign more experienced players in the positions we desperately need to fill. Why waste our limited budget then? I would very much doubt that he would be at the expense of any other targets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 We've already got a squad full of players barely able to cope at this level. Do we really need to gamble on more?Agree with this, can we not sign proven quality at this level? Is it too much to ask of this inept manager?But it's a cover signing for Kozak. Not a first choice player. I would hope we sign more experienced players in the positions we desperately need to fill. Why waste our limited budget then? I would very much doubt that he would be at the expense of any other targets. We have very limited funds for some unknown reason, they should be spent elsewhere I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 In terms of limited funds you then have to question the signing of helenius if we are signing yet another striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillakevBromsgrove Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 sometimes though better players can be billy big boots and be detrimental to the team, PL has said he likes experienced pros but they have to be the right ones. I still believe it is not PL controling who he wants but RL. I think DB9 was the straw that broke the camels back and one of the main reasons RL has withdrawn funds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Agreed big_john Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulver Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Isn't Grealish 5 years younger. what's that got to do with the price of bacon ? Wells is hardly old himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanBalaban Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 He could take the premier league in his stride for whomever he plays for. How many times has a league 1 player come and taken the top level in their stride? None of ones we've signed have. The fact that he's from League 1 is no indication of his ultimate capability. He could take the premier league in his stride for whomever he plays for. In short, you never know what you're capable of until you're put in that situation. My grandfather never thought he could shoot down a German plane, but last year he proved us all wrong. This. Jack Grealish, widely regarded as a future Villa star, is currently playing for a team at the bottom of league 1. Nakhi Wells is tearing up the same division. Isn't Grealish 5 years younger. I don't even know if we're seriously in for him, so have no idea about the player's ability to cut it in the PL, but for all we know he could. Age is a very bespoke thing, personal to individuals. For every Wayne Rooney there's an Ian Wright that was 22 when he got his first professional contract with Palace and 27 / 28 before he joined Arsenal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted January 7, 2014 Moderator Share Posted January 7, 2014 I'm also going to assume that Kozák's leg might have had something to do with this. Whether or not we have Helenius & Bowery, we're still a striker down. I only hope he's up to the task if he does come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 (edited) Helenius was under a million. I know we have limited funding, but that is absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. Edited January 7, 2014 by StefanAVFC 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 "We don't need him at the moment" - remind me, how is our attack doing? Benteke - hasn't scored in 4 months. Kozak - out for the season. Weimann - in horrible form, 1 goal this season. Helenius - clearly out of favour and not cutting it, only 3 sub appearances in the league. Bowery - yet to score or show even the slightest threat for Villa. But that's not even the point. The point is if we don't sign him, somebody else will. We will miss out. We've been linked with him before we were even drawn against Bradford in the cup last season. Lambert clearly sees something in him and wants him for the long term. And that's not even the main point. The REAL point is of course we are not going to sign Wells if it means we can't afford to buy our other main targets! Lambert has come out and said "we need experience" and "we need a number 10". Those are clearly the priority. If we sign Wells it will be AS WELL AS our other targets. And the reason why the strikers isn't scoring regularily is because the midfield is a total mess. Get some quality in midfield, try keeping possession and the goals will come. All IMO of course... I totally agree that we need more quality in midfield. That is the priority. But our strikers are really struggling for form as well. The few chances that are created are consistently squandered by Benteke and Weimann - neither have scored for 4 months! Kozak now injured and Helenius has only had 1 successful sub cameo. My point is more that Lambert has clearly been after him for a while and Wells is now playing so well that if we don't make a move this window we will probably miss out on him. And, of course, that he won't be the only signing we make. Im sure on current form Wells would be a huge improvement on Weimann, not sure if Lambert would pick him before Andi thou. The worry is that if we do have a limited transfer & wage budget should we spend it on striker #9 (counting Bent and Delfouneso) or is it better spent in other areas like midfield? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Helenius was under a million. I know we have limited funding, but that is absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. Why do we have limited funds? We have a billionaire owner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 People are acting like we're definitely signing him. Isn't it just a Metro report? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Helenius was under a million. I know we have limited funding, but that is absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. You can say that for one player but when it starts to become a group it adds up and financial constraints can't then be used to defend the manager. Luna and Bennet individually didn't cost much but together its much more and we still need a lb. Helenius was under a million. I know we have limited funding, but that is absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. Why do we have limited funds? We have a billionaire owner And an income higher than the majority of premiership clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonic_bouma Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 How tragic is this link Lambert has already wasted 2m here 3m there on lower league players. If he signs another I can't defend him, particularly in a position that is completely not needed. It's not about writing a player off before he plays for us, it's about having ******* standards and learning from our mistakes over the young and hungry policy. I will wait until the end of January to properly pass judgement but if we spend money on risks like this instead of reliable AM then I am done with Lambert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Helenius was under a million. I know we have limited funding, but that is absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. You can say that for one player but when it starts to become a group it adds up and financial constraints can't then be used to defend the manager. Luna and Bennet individually didn't cost much but together its much more and we still need a lb. Helenius was under a million. I know we have limited funding, but that is absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things.Why do we have limited funds? We have a billionaire owner And an income higher than the majority of premiership clubs. Agreed again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1974Centenary Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Helenius was under a million. I know we have limited funding, but that is absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. It is if that money was used to pay a better quality players wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 If Lambert was given 10 million in this window he would buy 5+ not 2 or even 1 top quality experienced quality player/s. This sums him up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Helenius was under a million. I know we have limited funding, but that is absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. It is if that money was used to pay a better quality players wages. I presume Helenius will be on tiny wages too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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