is it time for a new owner?

[vandaq]

The problem here is the way we operate our finances. We use little on transfers and even less on wages. This is because we used too much money which was sanctioned by Lerner himself. Because of this mistake, the club suffers. We could even get relegated. There is certainly a cause for concern.

 

While I will agree that bringing in someone else could be much worse. Personally I just want us to compete with similar clubs. When Hull, Palace and even west brom has more then you start to wonder. Transfers like the Kiyotake one is what annoys me. He cost like...10-15? That is a lot of money but we should be able to afford players like that. I don`t even understand how Lambert even finds some of his players like bacuna. 

[Shillzz]

A General Krulak thread would have made for some interesting reading over the past few seasons, that's for sure.

[coda]

I think Lerner's a decent chap and I don't want him deported just yet (not that he's in the UK). What bothers me is we don't seem to be spending any of this TV money windfall. We've also, I think, improved our revenue yet we're still shopping in Poundland. I don't expect Lerner to sell his family heirlooms but this Osborne-esque austerity will see us relegated eventually.  

[smetrov]

Silly topic. Time for a new owner?

Do we decide the fate of Randy Lerner? Fans can have their say about certain managers, like when Real Madrid wave their white flags/handkerchiefs, the manager will be sacked in a matter of hours.

 

Man Utd were owned by Magnier/McManus for a long time before Glazer took over, the same happened here when Doug Ellis sold to Randy Lerner.

 

Lerner is neither extremely wealthy nor is he the one to make irrational or rash decisions after a loss. So all in all, he is pretty decent. We have no right to become wealthy over night and very few people would want to spend a billion pounds on an unfashionable football club coming from an unfashionable city (compared to London and the football cities of Manchester/Liverpool).

 

Bitch all you want about Lerner, but he is here for as long as he wants. 

 

I wouldn't disagree - but I would argue were are getting very close to him not wanting to be here - if that moment hasn't already past...

[TRO]

The post that Sutton Paul has wriiten does have points that have some elements of truth about them.

 

Staff at Aston Villa have made mistakes over the years way back to when paul wants to go back to 1945

 

In that time we have had basically Ron Saunders, with Tony Barton and Roy Mclaren that resembled any kind of football Nous , Graham Taylor needs, some recognition too for the work he did, but outside of all of that it has been "fire fighting".

 

We had a chairman who was happy to preside over mediocrity to preserve his status as Mr Aston Villa despite his claim that his first aim was club solvency,

 

The first thing I want to say is ....MONEY DON'T GROW ON TREES ....and my humble opinion I think over various managers we have spent very badly. The result of that is chairmen lose confidence in managers and so do the other players, net result change of manager every c 3 years. The choice of new managers has been very iffy too, partly relating back to the same net result, changes every 3 years.

 

Fans will have their own opinion where the fault lies, but I believe Randy Lerner for all his other faults has provided funds ( i would suspect he has now lost an element of confidence in parting with it, since he first arrived) on the basis we have in the main bought shite.

 

I also do not subscribe to Aston Villa being anything other than a big club....The reason they are not operating like one is purely down to too many poor decisions being made in many quarters of the club.... but if poor decisions are to be made the quickest way to lose your money or go in to decline is through the Transfer Market....Its big bucks to get wrong

 

as an old Villa mate of mine once said to me.... you can talk about the club "until the cows come home" and any other club for that matter but most of the success or failure is as a result of your Transfer market activities....OURS HAS BEEN WOEFUL FOR YEARS.

 

We think we are being slowly left behind by Everton, it wasn't so many years ago that Earl Barrett chose Villa over Arsenal...but since then a certain Mr Wenger has just illustrated how you make a fortune for your club with clever transfer dealing and lets be fair here.... he has had his fair share of losing his best players.

 

No, In my opinion, to the right men ( owner & Manager)Aston Villa could rise like a phoenix once more, but with the wrong people we will stay in the doldrums.... the likes of signing Helenius and Bowery will not change anything anytime soon.

 

Finally, for me to gain any kind of chance to succeed you need a manager with Nous at talent spotting and a Owner who trusts his judgement and subsequently within reason backs him..... to have one without the other will render fruitless.

 

Ps There are many owners like Joe Lewis in the Bahama's, that spend little time at the club....not the main issues for me.

Edited December 23, 2013 by TRO

[suttonpaul]

I stand by what I said in my post and I don't feel the need to reply to the posts since aimed at it, when you write a post criticizing fans you don't expect most fans to react well.

 

Just a quick reply to the couple of posters mentioning a 20k wage cap I don't know where this info has come from as Weimann, Benteke, Agbonlahor and Vlaar are all on more than that never mind the bomb squad at the very least.

[Dodgyknees]

Suttonpaul does tend to turn up when people suggest Lerner is a bad owner, happy to have a pop at fans but not at the man who got us into the ness. Funny thing is even Lerner said we were a big club when he came in. Perhaps Suttonpaul is somebody close to the club.

[P3te]

What bothers me is we don't seem to be spending any of this TV money windfall.

That's because we haven't gotten it yet

[TRO]

I think Lerner's a decent chap and I don't want him deported just yet (not that he's in the UK). What bothers me is we don't seem to be spending any of this TV money windfall. We've also, I think, improved our revenue yet we're still shopping in Poundland. I don't expect Lerner to sell his family heirlooms but this Osborne-esque austerity will see us relegated eventually.  

 

I can muster some empathy for the people who are responsible for the club Finances, when I see the money we have squandered.

 

my worry is this empathy can metamorphose in to a "get out of jail card" when is someone from the club going to explain the transition, so we can all get on with our natural expectation of  the club.

Edited December 23, 2013 by TRO

[Shillzz]

 

What bothers me is we don't seem to be spending any of this TV money windfall.

That's because we haven't gotten it yet

 

 

But if we know we're going to get it, then it should be going into the budget for this year. It is this year's TV money after all, and (as far as i'm aware) we're certain to get it, so it can go into the books as an asset.

[coda]

 

What bothers me is we don't seem to be spending any of this TV money windfall.

That's because we haven't gotten it yet

 

 

We're guaranteed an extra £50m (or whatever it is) so we could borrow against it now quite easily. 

 

 

I think Lerner's a decent chap and I don't want him deported just yet (not that he's in the UK). What bothers me is we don't seem to be spending any of this TV money windfall. We've also, I think, improved our revenue yet we're still shopping in Poundland. I don't expect Lerner to sell his family heirlooms but this Osborne-esque austerity will see us relegated eventually.  

 

I can muster some empathy for the people who are responsible for the club Finances, when I see the money we have squandered.

 

my worry is this empathy can metamorphose in to a "get out of jail card" when is someone from the club going to explain the transition, so we can all get on with our natural expectation of  the club.

 

 

I could handle last season being an all or nothing, kill or cure season. I didn't expect it to be the same this year.

[MikeMcKenna]

I stand by what I said in my post and I don't feel the need to reply to the posts since aimed at it, when you write a post criticizing fans you don't expect most fans to react well.

 

Just a quick reply to the couple of posters mentioning a 20k wage cap I don't know where this info has come from as Weimann, Benteke, Agbonlahor and Vlaar are all on more than that never mind the bomb squad at the very least.

 

You are hilarious. You seem to specialise in "criticising fans".

 

You wanted to prompt a reaction and got one, then laughably "dont feel the need to reply" or debate. I am always open to changing my mind through debate, evidence and reason but you are a dogmatist who knows he is right - because you say so! Jog on...

Edited December 23, 2013 by MikeMcKenna

[smetrov]

The post that Sutton Paul has wriiten does have points that have some elements of truth about them.

 

Staff at Aston Villa have made mistakes over the years way back to when paul wants to go back to 1945

 

In that time we have had basically Ron Saunders, with Tony Barton and Roy Mclaren that resembled any kind of football Nous , Graham Taylor needs, some recognition too for the work he did, but outside of all of that it has been "fire fighting".

 

We had a chairman who was happy to preside over mediocrity to preserve his status as Mr Aston Villa despite his claim that his first aim was club solvency,

 

The first thing I want to say is ....MONEY DON'T GROW ON TREES ....and my humble opinion I think over various managers we have spent very badly. The result of that is chairmen lose confidence in managers and so do the other players, net result change of manager every c 3 years. The choice of new managers has been very iffy too, partly relating back to the same net result, changes every 3 years.

 

Fans will have their own opinion where the fault lies, but I believe Randy Lerner for all his other faults has provided funds ( i would suspect he has now lost an element of confidence in parting with it, since he first arrived) on the basis we have in the main bought shite.

 

I also do not subscribe to Aston Villa being anything other than a big club....The reason they are not operating like one is purely down to too many poor decisions being made in many quarters of the club.... but if poor decisions are to be made the quickest way to lose your money or go in to decline is through the Transfer Market....Its big bucks to get wrong

 

as an old Villa mate of mine once said to me.... you can talk about the club "until the cows come home" and any other club for that matter but most of the success or failure is as a result of your Transfer market activities....OURS HAS BEEN WOEFUL FOR YEARS.

 

We think we are being slowly left behind by Everton, it wasn't so many years ago that Earl Barrett chose Villa over Arsenal...but since then a certain Mr Wenger has just illustrated how you make a fortune for your club with clever transfer dealing and lets be fair here.... he has had his fair share of losing his best players.

 

No, In my opinion, to the right men ( owner & Manager)Aston Villa could rise like a phoenix once more, but with the wrong people we will stay in the doldrums.... the likes of signing Helenius and Bowery will not change anything anytime soon.

 

Finally, for me to gain any kind of chance to succeed you need a manager with Nous at talent spotting and a Owner who trusts his judgement and subsequently within reason backs him..... to have one without the other will render fruitless.

 

Ps There are many owners like Joe Lewis in the Bahama's, that spend little time at the club....not the main issues for me.

 

I actually think our transfer policy is only viewed as so bad because we focus on the negatives.....you mention Everton.....

 

What about Jelavic, Jason Backford, Naismith ? & others

 

I don't want to Launch an MON thread, but we talk of Beye, Heskey, Cuellar - and sweep Young, Downing, Milner 'Double Your Money' under the carpet.

 

Liverpool must be the the most wasteful club in recent years, Carrol £35m, Downing £20m, Joe Allen £15m just to mention a few ......

 

Sure weve had a few disasters - but the steps we have taken to ensure those disasters never happen again are damaging the club for years to come. I don't see how anyone who describes himself as custodian - can sit by while the likes of Cardiff, WBA, Southampton out muscle us in transfer market.

[Big_John_10]

I stand by what I said in my post and I don't feel the need to reply to the posts since aimed at it, when you write a post criticizing fans you don't expect most fans to react well.

Just a quick reply to the couple of posters mentioning a 20k wage cap I don't know where this info has come from as Weimann, Benteke, Agbonlahor and Vlaar are all on more than that never mind the bomb squad at the very least.

You are hilarious. You seem to specialise in "criticising fans".

You wanted to prompt a reaction and got one, then laughably "dont feel the need to reply" or debate. I am always open to changing my mind through debate, evidence and reason but you are a dogmatist who knows he is right - because you say so! Jog on...

Hahaha brilliantly put and well said.

[smetrov]

I stand by what I said in my post and I don't feel the need to reply to the posts since aimed at it, when you write a post criticizing fans you don't expect most fans to react well.

 

Just a quick reply to the couple of posters mentioning a 20k wage cap I don't know where this info has come from as Weimann, Benteke, Agbonlahor and Vlaar are all on more than that never mind the bomb squad at the very least.

 

Its come from Hairy Hands - who is either Paul Lambert or someone very close to him - its basically Lamberts scope for recruitment this winter ......................

[Big_John_10]

Suttonpaul does tend to turn up when people suggest Lerner is a bad owner, happy to have a pop at fans but not at the man who got us into the ness. Funny thing is even Lerner said we were a big club when he came in. Perhaps Suttonpaul is somebody close to the club.

If he was from the club his posts would hint that he has a clue. And they clearly don't.

[Big_John_10]

I stand by what I said in my post and I don't feel the need to reply to the posts since aimed at it, when you write a post criticizing fans you don't expect most fans to react well.

Just a quick reply to the couple of posters mentioning a 20k wage cap I don't know where this info has come from as Weimann, Benteke, Agbonlahor and Vlaar are all on more than that never mind the bomb squad at the very least.

Could you answer my question from the previous page? When Lerner was doing everything you hate for the first 6 years of his ownership why didn't you pipe up and tell us all how bad he was?

[TRO]

 

The post that Sutton Paul has wriiten does have points that have some elements of truth about them.

 

Staff at Aston Villa have made mistakes over the years way back to when paul wants to go back to 1945

 

In that time we have had basically Ron Saunders, with Tony Barton and Roy Mclaren that resembled any kind of football Nous , Graham Taylor needs, some recognition too for the work he did, but outside of all of that it has been "fire fighting".

 

We had a chairman who was happy to preside over mediocrity to preserve his status as Mr Aston Villa despite his claim that his first aim was club solvency,

 

The first thing I want to say is ....MONEY DON'T GROW ON TREES ....and my humble opinion I think over various managers we have spent very badly. The result of that is chairmen lose confidence in managers and so do the other players, net result change of manager every c 3 years. The choice of new managers has been very iffy too, partly relating back to the same net result, changes every 3 years.

 

Fans will have their own opinion where the fault lies, but I believe Randy Lerner for all his other faults has provided funds ( i would suspect he has now lost an element of confidence in parting with it, since he first arrived) on the basis we have in the main bought shite.

 

I also do not subscribe to Aston Villa being anything other than a big club....The reason they are not operating like one is purely down to too many poor decisions being made in many quarters of the club.... but if poor decisions are to be made the quickest way to lose your money or go in to decline is through the Transfer Market....Its big bucks to get wrong

 

as an old Villa mate of mine once said to me.... you can talk about the club "until the cows come home" and any other club for that matter but most of the success or failure is as a result of your Transfer market activities....OURS HAS BEEN WOEFUL FOR YEARS.

 

We think we are being slowly left behind by Everton, it wasn't so many years ago that Earl Barrett chose Villa over Arsenal...but since then a certain Mr Wenger has just illustrated how you make a fortune for your club with clever transfer dealing and lets be fair here.... he has had his fair share of losing his best players.

 

No, In my opinion, to the right men ( owner & Manager)Aston Villa could rise like a phoenix once more, but with the wrong people we will stay in the doldrums.... the likes of signing Helenius and Bowery will not change anything anytime soon.

 

Finally, for me to gain any kind of chance to succeed you need a manager with Nous at talent spotting and a Owner who trusts his judgement and subsequently within reason backs him..... to have one without the other will render fruitless.

 

Ps There are many owners like Joe Lewis in the Bahama's, that spend little time at the club....not the main issues for me.

 

I actually think our transfer policy is only viewed as so bad because we focus on the negatives.....you mention Everton.....

 

What about Jelavic, Jason Backford, Naismith ? & others

 

I don't want to Launch an MON thread, but we talk of Beye, Heskey, Cuellar - and sweep Young, Downing, Milner 'Double Your Money' under the carpet.

 

Liverpool must be the the most wasteful club in recent years, Carrol £35m, Downing £20m, Joe Allen £15m just to mention a few ......

 

Sure weve had a few disasters - but the steps we have taken to ensure those disasters never happen again are damaging the club for years to come. I don't see how anyone who describes himself as custodian - can sit by while the likes of Cardiff, WBA, Southampton out muscle us in transfer market.

 

 Smetrov

 

look all clubs buy "pigs in pokes" we all know that.

 

we have just bought more than most... I don't have to list them all you know who they are.

 

 but don't just pick out 3 Everton players as if its just a few we have got wrong...its nearly as bad as an FA Enquiry.

 

No owner with any reasonable amount of money can wear that.

 

I am not advocating Randy Lerner is blameless in some aspects of running the club, but are you going to tell me, he chose them.

If you are going to say that it was like HDE and Stan Collymore, then i will concede.

 

It has to be a joint responsibility with owner and manager, but remember the manager chooses the players....... as far as we know.

 

I accept it is the owners responsibility to choose the managers correctly, but then that becomes an indirect responsibility for the poor signings as opposed to direct responsibility. 

[Rugeley Villa]

most fans are at a level where are expectations are non existent for a club our size

we now strive to be a mid table team that plays reasonable passing football and is occasionally able to go on a decent cup run, no-one expects to win week in week out but everyone does expect us to at least try and get the footballing basics right.

Finishing between 9-13th and not being the new Stoke is literally our dream these days as well as avoiding relegation battles every season. Yet our team is 30% league one quality, 30% championship quality, 40% prem quality (at a push).

If Lerner cares then he has to

a) Turn up

Stop punishing Lambert and the fans for his/the clubs past managerial and financial mistakes

I hate gambling with bigger name signings and more expensive wages, I would always rather we did things gradually with younger players and lower risk signings - but it isn't **** working. We should be looking at one mid level experienced signing to every two lower risk signings we make and the occasional experienced loan player in the mix. You need something to sustain you while you build everything else. We are now falling behind every other club in the premiership with our miserly signings, i bet you Palace, Hull and Cardiff will spend more than us in Jan.

totally disagree. Why should we settle for that.

[Cliffy Biro]

It was time for a new owner when he decided that hiring mcleish would be a good decision for this club lets be honest, haven't trusted him since that appalling decision. Now we all pay to watch lambert try and get results with an extremely poor squad while the owner sits thousands of miles away.

 

Yes we could have a far worse owner i accept that but it doesn't mean we should accept our current owner, if he doesn't want to put in the time and effort it takes to run the club then yes he should step aside.