Risso Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 "The short term aim is to continue as an independent organization to: a. represent the fans on supporter issues in discussions with the Club in an impartial and representative manner;" Obviously missed out the word 'secretive' there. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avflife Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 What's the point in not revealing the details of the meeting, pretty pointless IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 I'm not sure what the objective of this Q&A session was intended to be, but in practice it risks stoking up ill feeling. So there is some current issue that is so sensitive it is considered too dangerous to share with the fans at large? Maybe this thread should now devote itself to guessing what it is. My two guesses: MON sacking Red Bull purchase. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chappy Posted October 28, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted October 28, 2013 Facial hair growth hormones to improve popularity of unbearded players amongst fans? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaTrust Posted October 28, 2013 Author Share Posted October 28, 2013 The objective of the Q&A was to give fans present in the room at the meeting an opportunity to ask questions on the running of the Club. It is no different to any other session that has been run where Paul has answered supporter questions. For example, the web chat held on Friday before was a good example of being able to ask him questions if you couldn't come in person.Sorry, it was not my intention to sit for 75 minutes transcribing Paul Faulkner' answers to post on the web. I've not seen any transcription from these other sessions he has held.The meeting was hardly secretive. It was free to all supporters to join. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Risso Posted October 28, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted October 28, 2013 So is the objective of the trust to represent ALL supporters, or just a few who have the spare time to attend a meeting? Nobody was asking for full minutes, just a brief rundown on what was discussed. Keeping certain things secret just makes it look some dodgy old boys club. What are you, an organisation to represent Villa fans, or the masons? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 The objective of the Q&A was to give fans present in the room at the meeting an opportunity to ask questions on the running of the Club. It is no different to any other session that has been run where Paul has answered supporter questions. For example, the web chat held on Friday before was a good example of being able to ask him questions if you couldn't come in person. Sorry, it was not my intention to sit for 75 minutes transcribing Paul Faulkner' answers to post on the web. I've not seen any transcription from these other sessions he has held. The meeting was hardly secretive. It was free to all supporters to join. Details of the last Faulkner web chat were posted on here I beleive. Anyway a bit of Info:- Randy is due in fly in a week on Tuesday, He has requested progress review\talks with Lambert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PompeyVillan Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Well what a complete waste of time and effort that was, on the club's behalf. And what a waste of time posting about it on here. I fear you've hoodwinked the club into claiming you represent 'the fans', when in reality you don't. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaTrust Posted October 28, 2013 Author Share Posted October 28, 2013 Neither Risso - it is to represent its members views democratically. We are not the voice of All supporters nor those that can only attend meetings. The subject topics covered are listed above. As i said earlier, i did not take any notes as it was informal. It was not the primary purpose of the evening. Next time, happy for a representative of Villatalk to go and write their own notes / report back to this forum.As for secrecy, its just plain professionalism and ethical. I have my reputation and professional qualification to think about, one that pays my way in life. There was a request for no notes / recording at a certain stage in the informal session. All there agreed. If it was not ok, then the conversation that happened would not have taken place. If we ever get to supporter elected directors, then this same situation will arise time and again. Swansea's Supporter Director has the same issue.One of the things i have learnt over the 12 years is that there is no pleasing everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Neither Risso - it is to represent its members views democratically. We are not the voice of All supporters nor those that can only attend meetings. The subject topics covered are listed above. As i said earlier, i did not take any notes as it was informal. It was not the primary purpose of the evening. Next time, happy for a representative of Villatalk to go and write their own notes / report back to this forum. As for secrecy, its just plain professionalism and ethical. I have my reputation and professional qualification to think about, one that pays my way in life. There was a request for no notes / recording at a certain stage in the informal session. All there agreed. If it was not ok, then the conversation that happened would not have taken place. If we ever get to supporter elected directors, then this same situation will arise time and again. Swansea's Supporter Director has the same issue. One of the things i have learnt over the 12 years is that there is no pleasing everyone. What has your professional qualification got to do with anything? Have you signed a letter of engagement with the club? But anyway, good luck with the membership drive. You may want to work on your marketing activities and supporter communications a little though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Eames Posted October 28, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted October 28, 2013 Neither Risso - it is to represent its members views democratically. We are not the voice of All supporters nor those that can only attend meetings. The subject topics covered are listed above. As i said earlier, i did not take any notes as it was informal. It was not the primary purpose of the evening. Next time, happy for a representative of Villatalk to go and write their own notes / report back to this forum. As for secrecy, its just plain professionalism and ethical. I have my reputation and professional qualification to think about, one that pays my way in life. There was a request for no notes / recording at a certain stage in the informal session. All there agreed. If it was not ok, then the conversation that happened would not have taken place. If we ever get to supporter elected directors, then this same situation will arise time and again. Swansea's Supporter Director has the same issue. One of the things i have learnt over the 12 years is that there is no pleasing everyone. I have many questions..... 1) If you dont intend to or claim to represent all supporters then what is the point beyond a slightly pointless ego drive? 2) You had a Q&A with the CEO and didn't take notes of what he said? Why? What is the point beyond a slightly pointless ego drive? 3) What WAS the primary purpose of the meeting - beyond a slightly pointless ego drive? 4) What is ethical about the secrecy? Please explain. 5) Don't you feel its appears to be a bit contradictory to have a Q&A with fans and then ask for secrecy? 6) Do you understand that the secrecy might be more than a little unsettling to the wider support base? 7) That conversation might as well not have taken place since noone but a select few is aware of it? Do you agree? 8) How would taking notes at a Q&A session affect your "professional life" unless you are a Journo? 9) Whats the point of a supporter elected director beyond a slightly pointless ego drive? 10) Especially whats the point of a support elected director, especially if they come from the Villa Trust who clearly don't want to share key issues with the wider fan base? 11) What is the point beyond a slightly pointless ego drive? That'll do for now. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchard Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 The objective of the Q&A was to give fans present in the room at the meeting an opportunity to ask questions on the running of the Club. It is no different to any other session that has been run where Paul has answered supporter questions. For example, the web chat held on Friday before was a good example of being able to ask him questions if you couldn't come in person. Sorry, it was not my intention to sit for 75 minutes transcribing Paul Faulkner' answers to post on the web. I've not seen any transcription from these other sessions he has held. The meeting was hardly secretive. It was free to all supporters to join. It was free to join, if you became a member of the Trust. How can people decide to become a member of the 'new' Trust, if they know nothing about it? We have two lines about aims but nothing about how to be achieved. I'm not, and I imagine many others won't either, join something they know nothing about just to be able to listen to Paul Falkner say some things that may be true, or may not. I don't want to sound all negative about this. I think a genuinely democratic, fair to all fans supporters group which helps individuals and supporters as a whole interact with the club, for the better of the club and it's supporters. But nobody knows enough about this 'launch' and having to keep everything 'in-house' (which from the sounds of it wasn't your fault) doesn't do that, or the idea that the 'old Trust' was seen as a bit of a mates club, any favours. It makes me, at least, a little wary that this new one is going the same way. A few questions, if you don't mind.... How many people turned up for the Q&A? A couple of the names who have been elected to the board of the Trust are familiar - how many of these were part of the 'old Trust'? And of the newer people elected, where did they find out about the launch? The only publicity I saw for the Trust was this thread about a Q&A - did they put themselves up for the positions at the Q&A or was there somewhere else which is being updated for us to keep an eye on where people were given the chance to put themselves forward for the roles - as this thread makes no mention of this? The two sentences of aim is certainly something I'm sure most of us would like. But the major problem is that it all rests upon the club being interested and entertaining the idea. So I can understand the secrecy - to gain their trust - but the downside to that is that by being rather quiet about it that it's hard to gain the trust of other supporters who may be interested in supporting in. I'm not trying to be deliberately obtuse or be a pain in the arse - and having read this thread back it may look that way. I'm just trying to increase the dialogue and more importantly - understand the 'New' trust so I can make a decision whether it is something new, exciting and a positive thing for us, or if it's like when Opal Fruits re branded as Starburst. Next time, happy for a representative of Villatalk to go and write their own notes / report back to this forum. Just as a point of reference, IMO it would cut out any calls of favouritism towards x,y,z or mis-communication, if perhaps notesor at least a summary of points discussed (which, of course was agreed with the club so the 'juicier' bits weren't in the public) was produced by the Trust in the future so it would seem more open and the message being put across was done so by the group itself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchard Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Neither Risso - it is to represent its members views democratically. We are not the voice of All supporters nor those that can only attend meetings. The subject topics covered are listed above. As i said earlier, i did not take any notes as it was informal. It was not the primary purpose of the evening. Next time, happy for a representative of Villatalk to go and write their own notes / report back to this forum. As for secrecy, its just plain professionalism and ethical. I have my reputation and professional qualification to think about, one that pays my way in life. There was a request for no notes / recording at a certain stage in the informal session. All there agreed. If it was not ok, then the conversation that happened would not have taken place. If we ever get to supporter elected directors, then this same situation will arise time and again. Swansea's Supporter Director has the same issue. One of the things i have learnt over the 12 years is that there is no pleasing everyone. I have many questions..... Edited to avoid long convo stream.... I think you are being a little harsh on them there. I think the intentions are there, but played out in slightly the wrong way. They need the club on there side for any aims or objectives to work - so they have to do what they say at this point. What would help is a little more open communication - and a report back of some details but without the sensitive information which I think is probably all that was being asked for. Hopefully with a comms director in place this may begin to improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smetrov Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Get of his back ! I would like to have heard what was said - and have seen transcripts from other sessions. My guess is that anything groundbreaking will find its way onto this forum in due course. Hippo - Re the Lambert\Lerner meeting is this the regular meeting they have - or is something over and above this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 I don't really blame the trust. It seems stupid that the club have a Q&A with a few people from a supporters group and ask them to not repeat anything. What's the point of it then? How does it help relationships with fans if only a select few hear the answers? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Another great PR move from the Democratic People's Republic of Villa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG_Villa_Fan Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Neither Risso - it is to represent its members views democratically. We are not the voice of All supporters nor those that can only attend meetings. The subject topics covered are listed above. As i said earlier, i did not take any notes as it was informal. It was not the primary purpose of the evening. Next time, happy for a representative of Villatalk to go and write their own notes / report back to this forum. As for secrecy, its just plain professionalism and ethical. I have my reputation and professional qualification to think about, one that pays my way in life. There was a request for no notes / recording at a certain stage in the informal session. All there agreed. If it was not ok, then the conversation that happened would not have taken place. If we ever get to supporter elected directors, then this same situation will arise time and again. Swansea's Supporter Director has the same issue. One of the things i have learnt over the 12 years is that there is no pleasing everyone. With all due respect, VillaTrust, in my opinion you keep digging a hole with posts like this one. Get a PR to check them before you post or contact Nicky Kaye, she did OK with the General's stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samjp26 Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 To be fair, anything that has to be kept secret must be important and anything important should be shared with the club's biggest stakeholders: the fans. As said above, what is the point of having a Q&A if nobody can even know what the answers were? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhInTrinity Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Even when there was a Q&A with fans with PL, no recording was allowed however many fans made comments on what had been said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaTrust Posted October 28, 2013 Author Share Posted October 28, 2013 We have released statements in the past on specific sessions with the Villa hierarchy to agree areas which are sensitive/non-sensitive. These are formal meetings.What happened last week was an informal session, and not the primary purpose of the meeting which was our AGM. The questions raised were by individuals, who wanted information on their particular queries. It was not a Trust driven agenda.May be in the future some further notes will be issued on the informal part but given we are a few days on and we work/ family/ watch the Villa, there has been limited time to pull together anything.If you want to hear and take part, join. It was free for non-voting associate members had access. As we grow in numbers then such events may only be accessible by paid members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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