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We don't have an 'attack'....... VLD.

I would like to see a three way charity 60yard dash between Jota, Drinkwater and a tortoise. My money is on the tortoise..... VLD.

Yes a better team performance but only 2 points out of a possible 15 tells us we are going down ( as I said last September......). VLD.

Thanks Sam, a good post. The reason I don't think it is invalid to say that racism can be overcome by its victims is that I don't believe that racism will ever truly disappear. It is a state of mind and of course it is already illegal. It is up to all of us to try to educate all around us as in some cases it is insidious. That is why I come on here and discuss it, we all should. If ,like me ,you believe that some people will never change their vile beliefs then I think that it is fair to suggest that all people of all colours and faiths should be encouraged to stand up for themselves as we support them. This does not mean simply complaining that they are victims, we know they are, but to try to overcome these issues themselves. I have never said this is easy but obviously many people do this already. I was brought up in a house where nobody could use the word ' can't ' when faced with a difficult situation that needed resolving. UTV. VLD.

I said it could be overcome, not that it wasn't there. Please read the post again. Not much point posting if you don't read ( or understand )the original post. VLD.

Agreed, good post, thank you....... VLD.

Why? And please don't say ' well if you don't know'!!!!! Elucidate...... REGARDS, VLD.

Hi , Yes there is racism in the U.K., no doubt about it. But it can be overcome, just ask £36 million a year Lewis Hamilton for example.....On formula one....Nigel Mansell believed that he was not taken seriously because of his 'brummie' accent but he had talent and determination and fought his way to the top. If a Brummie can make it anybody can........ (The last sentence was a joke by the way.........). VLD.

Personally, I don't believe you can legislate racism out of existence . It begins and ends with education, mostly at home through the efforts of parents etc. I have two grown up girls, they don't see 'colour' at all, just character..... Maybe I didn't do a bad job after all. 'Regards' VLD.

Yes, very interesting. I hope you don't mind but time for my Hot Chocolate and off to bed. Thanks to all the lads who made some salient points. VLD.

You are right (thanks, just goggled it) but I think if you scroll down a little you will find a post where I try to better illustrate my point... VLD.

Try ' Freedom of Expression', Article 10 Human Rights Commision. Not trying to be clever, just think this might help.... Regards, VLD.

Explain your thoughts on democracy please.... VLD.

Yes, that was it........It doesn't have to be 'racism' it's about allowing people to disagree and debate openly without fear of reprisals just because they may have a different point of view. Thanks for the replies, VLD.

Of course, it is called freedom of expression. It's what democracy is all about. Regards, VLD.

I don't feel I can say anymore on those previous posts as it has been shut down. The passion shown by posters was nice to see though.... VLD.

You are right of course.. Yes , lost as well....... As ' American Politics 'site has closed I hope the moderators allow me to make an apology.... After my round my gloating partner, asked to see my texts that I had hurriedly tapped out in between holes. He read them all and chuckled here and there. You are mostly right he said, but the anology re 'white power/ black power was crass'. revisiting that comment was painfull. It was crass and not at all what I meant to say. So sorry guys. Regards, VLD.

Here's a thought.... If a Premier player had decided he simply did not believe in the political objectives of BLM and had refused to wear that shirt with the BLM motif would he... Be sacked by his club Attacked in the street by people who felt insulted by his stance or allowed freedom of choice... 'Regards' VLD.

No I haven't, my 3 black friends in America have, I admit I might have paraphrased their views for brevity. Sorry if this misled you , not my intention. Please do not take things out of context, Sorry this is ruining my ,already crap , game, VLD.

Can't stop, but who have insulted? And how? By disagreeing with them? Bloody hell.... got to go, sorry....

Sorry to be brief, but am waiting on the 1st tee.... Lots of replies, which is great, by the way. How many of you guys bothered to go on YouTube to listen to Freeman, Barclay and Washington. None I imagine. If you don't try and learn anything , then how can you have a opinion? These guys are black. They calmly and logically explain why the think BLM is a crock of sh#t. They are not racists, or do you think they are? They are simply saying the same as me. Where are the protest marches for hundreds of black and white police officers killed every year in the states? Don't their lives matter? Not so simple is it.....Give it some more thought guys..... Thanks for the replies, I,m off next, must dash. VLD.

Hi Guys, I hope you don't mind me responding for a while as I am off to golf. In , short, By all means disagree with me but please try not to take things out of context so that you can make a point as you are simply demeaning this discussion. Regards, VLD.

I watch CNN daily and yes, in my opinion , it has a left wing bias. Incidentally,I think Trump is a moron ...... Regards, VLD.

I did know actually. Its is really semantics ( look it up ). You have to be very careful before you censor people. The Second World War was fought so that people like you and I could live freely and say what we believed in. There is an awful lot of 'virtue signaling' around at the moment. The thought police are only one step away, yes really. If you really want to know what intelligent black people think of the 'black struggle' then I suggest you listen to what Morgan Freeman, Charles Barkley and Denzil Washington are saying on YouTube at the moment. Broken down they are saying to black people.... Get an education Get a job, Get some self respect, and stop asking people for a free handout.... Am I a racist? Of course not. But I am not a virtue signaller either. It is okay to talk about racism, I know it is out there but people should stop defending criminal behaviour as well. We all have to make our way in the world and I know what it is like to be 'poor'. I don't have any sympathy with looters and rioters, this isn't the answer but some idiots think it is 'justified'. Thanks for your comments, Regards, VLD.

A sweeping statement without any explanation. Please elaborate.... Regards, VLD.