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Hi all! Another Dutch player!? The last signings didn't worked that well, I am suprised! First off, I really wanted to quote this one, even though it has nothing to do with Bacuna Ah I misunderstood guff lol. Just wanted to say, who are all these players!? hehe Nabil Abidallah Kemy Agustien Vurnon Anita George Boateng Paul Bosvelt Jordi Cryuff Daniel de Ridder Karim El Ahmadi Alfons Groenendijk Wim Jonk Denny Landzaat Martin Reuser Richard Sneekes Orlando Trustfull Robin van der Laan Richard Witschge All footballing luminaries... Argh another list of unknown players! Robin van der Laan!? Google says ... played 86 games in Holland at two very small clubs and over 300 games in England! (at very small clubs as well) Reuser failed in Holland as well, also counts for Augustien, De Ridder and Sneekes (didn't he play American Football!?). Most of the others weren't exactly giants here as well If you want good players which you know for sure they will make it, (least risk possible) don't look at smaller leagues. A big group of them didn't even succeed in smaller leagues hehe. I'm afraid Bacuna is one of them, so most importantly.. Leandro Bacuna! What a suprise move. I was stunned when I read this news. He is seen as a fairly poor player. Big ego, very wild player, overly agressive. Therefor bit of a card collector. (always wanted to say this in English simply means he gets alot of cards) I can’t see him succeed at Villa. His ball handling isn’t so poor, he just rushes things very much. His free kicks and penalties are his best qualities I guess. Also high energy, but as player not comparable with Holman. Groningen is a decent team, but not spectaculair at all. 1 million euro is serious business for them. For any Dutch team (excluding the bigger ones like Ajax, Twente, Vitesse, PSV) in fact. If you want good midfielders from the Dutch league, go for: Van Ginkel (Vitesse) Siem de Jong and Eriksen (Ajax) Perhaps Enoh as well? Still think he's at least as good as Tioté. Loaned out at Fulham, shouldn't cost as much as De Jong or Eriksen. In fact should be pretty cheap.. Strootman (PSV) or Toivonen if you need more attacking midfielders. I personally think Hutchinson could make it as well, more risky though. Fer (FC Twente) From ‘smaller’ teams like Groningen. Cheaper but more risky: Toornstra (FC Utrecht) Kali is free agent, I would picked him as well over Bacuna Duarte (Heracles) Hupperts (Roda JC) I understand Aston Villa isn’t a rich team anymore? All these transfers are pretty ‘unknown’ players. It’s abit like you are playing in the Dutch league! Risky but cheap transfers and hoping one of them is a gem hehe. Welcome to our world But you guys really need a better scout for Belgium, (lots of talented players there!) Netherlands and maybe other countries as well. Bacuna needs a miracle to succeed. And I know my predictions have been shit about El Ahmadi and Bradley. Altough I said El Ahmadi is abit of a wuss I was right about Holman and Vlaar ( pretty decent but not that good?) though hehe.. I would love to see Helenius at Ajax! Heard so many good things about him. I don’t know him as player, just he is very populair prospect for many Dutch teams. I think he will be that ‘gem’ next season at Aston Villa.

Little update: (Dutch related) Narsingh from Heerenveen to PSV (4,1 million euro) PSV won the race against Ajax Luuk de Jong from FC Twente to Borussia Munchengladbach (15 million) Elia from Juventus to Werder Bremen (5.5 million) Amrabat from Kayserispor to Galatasaray (8 million) bit of suprise, Amrabat failed at PSV. Loovens from Celtic to Real Zaragoza (bosman) Aissati from Ajax to Vitesse (bosman) Vitesse wants to challenge the big teams in the Dutch league. They are the first Dutch team with rich owners. Pranjic from Bayern Munchen to Sporting Lissabon (bosman) Labyad from PSV to Sporting Lissabon (bosman) Zuiverloon from Real Mallorca to Heerenveen (on loan) Van Basten is the new head coach of Heerenveen El Hamdaoui from Ajax to Fiorentina (1 million) El Hamdaoui is a good player but had many fights with Frank de Boer Rumors: Muniesa from Barcelona to Ajax (on loan) Barcelona and Muniesa are both interested, it's up to Ajax now, 90% sure he will come. To replace Luuk de Jong, Twente is mostly interested in Castaignos (young Dutch talent plays at the primavera team of Inter) and Matavz (PSV)

I think I understand the confusing part. It should have said UNLIKE Vertonghen. Which I ment to relate to the football part. If I remember things correctly. Vlaar made his debut in the game Netherlands - Italy 1-3. Vlaar was absolutely horrifying! He had alot of heavy critism which he couldn't deal with. He got on a dead end at AZ and wanted to make a new start at Feyenoord. Also Van Basten (head coach of Dutch team) did that more often. Players who weren't ready yet made their debut in the national team. Thing is, for myself, I watch players always if they would fit Ajax or not. With our high pressing lines, Vlaar just lacks pace. I really do hope Aston Villa won't press that high. Once the counter attack is going on, he will never catch up. Vertonghen is a slow starter as well, but with his elephant steps, he gets at least some top speed going. Also the youth acadamies is quite hard to say which one is best. Feyenoord sees his best players robbed by big clubs around the world. While Ajax get robbed too. Ajax however steals mostly themselves of all kind of teams around the world. The awards doesn't say anything at all, nonsense awards. In football it's all about the best players, playing sexy football and winning championships/cups. Without all the robbing it would be a close call I guess. There is a release clause yes. I don't know the exact price, most rumors here are around 4 million euro indeed.

Don't worry. You haven't heard my Dunglish yet. You are 100% right. I forgot about them, Vitesse is filthy rich now. So it will be very hard to buy these players. If they manage to buy 2-3 good players, they will be tough to beat! Might be a suprise in the Europa League as well this season, although they are newcomers and unseeded. Vlaar-El Ahmadi-Holman. So curious how they will do. Aston Villa going Dutch (league).

Vertonghen has a much better sliding than Vlaar as well. I don't think Vlaar is so much better than Vertonghen defending wise. Which he should be yes, because Vlaar is a 'real defender' unlike Vertonghen who had to learn defending at a fairly late point in his career. Perhaps yes, he will make Vitesse a big team, just like he did with Twente.. (midfield with El Ahmadi-Aissati-Engelaar) Also Engelaar was such a good player back then, remember Euro 2008! He is bosman. Won't say he is the best player ever, but he is worth the gambling if you don't have the money to buy the real big players? Perhaps you are right, and Aissati would fit more in the Spain/Dutch league. :shock: Bargain! I know, wished Ajax signed him You don't rate Vertonghen particularly much? I do! Vertonghen is orginally a midfielder. I wonder if that works out at Spurs. Vertonghen is a fantastic football player!! But pure defensive he makes his mistakes. He is becoming better and better at it though. And he isn't that old, so might learn faster now he will play more big games a year. Well now I'm just confused. I asked this and got told it was 'car' not 'stair'/'flare'. It's the a from car, the length of flare hmmm something like that Just try to say caar, and then make it vlaar Thank you! I am not the biggest fan of players like Vlaar. (most people in The Netherlands aren't..) I love football skilled players. Defenders are such a waste

I would say it's closest to 'flare' but with more a's in it Really like how Aston Villa signed El Ahmadi, good player! One of the few Feyenoord players I would have loved to see at Ajax. One of the few indeed, Vlaar isn't one of those.. He is slow, not a great defender, not so good at football (like Vertonghen for example), one of the weakest link at the Dutch team this Euro 2012. He failed there and AZ in the early stage of his career. Do you know Loovens? He didn't make it make it in the premier league as well right? I rate Vlaar abit higher, but not much. Viergever/De Vrij/Gouweleeuw/Van Rhijn etc are more talented defenders. And.. the Dutch league is a very poor league defending wise. Douglas would have fit better the premier league I think, but even Douglas might be not good enough. (had a suprisely poor season at Twente) There are some positive sides too of course, he is fairly experienced, he is cheap, he knows El Ahmadi very well. I think he will fit in as person. Vlaar isn't a troublemaker. But.. I would love to see Aston Villa signing a trouble maker now! Not only the nice guys. Someone said before why Ajax doesn't want him. Ajax is very much interested in Muniesa from Barcelona. It's only 1 year loan, but I heard he is a big talent from the Barcelona acadamy. During that year Denswil (Ajax youth acadamy) will have time to learn and adept to the level of Ajax 1 and Vertonghen will have a good replacement in the meanwhile. Hope it works out! Which De Jong you were discussing earlier this thread? Nigel de Jong earns alot of money at City! To much money for 'an average player', way to much money. Siem de Jong is the new approved captain of Ajax, can't seem him leaving. Luuk de Jong will leave very soon to Borussia Munchengladbach for 15-20 million! Good player but that amount of money is sick if you ask me. Anyway Twente profits well. Also Aissati still hasn't found a new team. El Ahmadi, Holman and Aissati on a premier league might be abit 'lightweighted', pure football wise it's quality written all over! Holman can do his work while the others are passing the ball around. Can't believe why Ajax and Vitesse are waiting with a new contract for him still. Ajax seem to let him go and Vitesse wants to sign him. Aissati wants to leave to Spain, but he might consider to re join with El Ahmadi. (played together with him at FC Twente some years ago) Hope he stays in the Dutch league though, love to watch players like these. De Guzman already left to Swansea City, he would have been good as well. Narsingh is very close to signing a deal with PSV. Toivonen might leave PSV, but he should cost alot Im guessing (10 million or more) Guidetti is a good player! He lacks experience, he really knows how to fire the team and fans up. Extreme energetic player. Elia moved to Werder Bremen for only 5.5 million. Aissaidi might be off to Galatasaray for around 5 million. Some quick Dutch football news updates

I am just glad Van Marwijk is very soon gone I always hated that guy hahah... New coach hmmm Ronald Koeman? He can't buy/scout players but his tactics are always good! And buying players isn't important as national coach Frank Rijkaard? Or coaches like Louis van Gaal or Co Adriaanse. This team needs some discipline! Also I do think most of the good players aren't old enough yet to retire. The big players will get at least one extra tournament to show themselves. The next generation is weaker indeed, but the youth acadamies starting to produce again. Feyenoord has an fantastic upcoming youth, so does Ajax. Even teams like AZ and PSV have some talents! It's just waiting for these players and let's hope they will be ready in two years in Brazil ! Anyway, here some rumors who the ones who like gossiping like my self... Bouma punched the doctor in his face (dont know why yet) Huntelaar was almost kicked out of the hotel because he did whine to much he wasn't playing Van Persie wanted to be a striker and Afellay as winger, Sneijder wanted Van der Vaart and Huntelaar in the team (as striker) (Van Persie and Sneijder are the two 'bosses' in the team) Van der Wiel and Robben had a fight because Van der Wiel was always up versus two men, Robben didn't help him at all and only cared about himself Other players didn't want to give Van der Wiel the ball, because he gave it to the opponent Ohter players didn't want to give Robben the ball, because you will never see it back Robben told Van Marwijk to shut up when Van Marwijk tried to tell him to help Van der Wiel out (against Portugal) I heard there were plenty more fights and now I even more disgusted. As fan you have to watch this awful defending football tactics while the players got all the fun!! Funny how you lot got to the WC final two years ago. It might be the same players but it's a different team/situation/opponents now. Brazil and Spain were the only two strong opponents we met on WC 2010. While we needed an own goal from Denmark and some luck vs Slovakia and Uruguay. Also look at the list who weren't fit before EURO 2012 started. Afellay (sub at Barcelona and had a serious injury), Van Bommel (getting older), Bouma (several injuries, was also sub at times at PSV), Nigel de Jong (sub at city), Kuyt (sub at Liverpool, getting older), Mathijssen (sub at Malaga, getting older as well), Sneijder (several injuries), Van der Wiel (had a serious injury, sub at Ajax) and Willems (only played few games, started as 3rd leftback of PSV... Pieters and Tamata were both injured for a very long time). This what bothers me the most. Van Marwijk keeps on saying there were no other players to call up blabla. Van Rhijn-Buttner-Emanuelson-Seedorf-Maher-Elia-Viergever-Maduro etc etc.. This makes me so sad. Except Maduro (Valencia) and Elia (Juventus) they played lots of games for Ajax (Van Rhijn)-Vitesse (Buttner)-AC Milan (Emanuelson and Seedorf)-AZ (Maher and Viergever) All good players! All not there at Euro 2012 for whatever silly reasons.. I could name plenty more Dutch players who had much better seasons than some of our current squad.. Anyway I wanted to post the fake and true rumors about the team. I don't think England had that on (sport)news since England is stilll in it. (source is VI, biggest football magazine/media in Holland and RTL 4, perhaps the biggest tv station here) Bouma couldn't be confirmed. So guess that's a fake. The players called Mark van Bommel assistent coach and disliked him. (Van Marwijk son in law thingy) Van Marwijk and Robben hated each other. Robben didn't listen to anyone and thought he was to good and always blamed others when he did things wrong. Van der Wiel only cared about his clothing designs and music. He didn't talked to anyone and was always listening to his music/letting his hair cut. Which he seemed to do every day.. Huntelaar and Van der Vaart called Van Marwijk unfair because they never played whatever they did. (Dutch people always blamed Van Marwijk he had 11 standard starting players and 3 standard subs whatever happend) Also Van der Vaart and Huntelaar seemed to whine alot too. RTL 4 said the biggest problems were Van Persie and Afellay. Van Persie said Huntelaar could get number 9 because number 16 (Van Persie himself) plays anyway. Afellay said he played at FC Barcelona and he was clearly to good for the rest. So I hope these two queens get kicked out of the squad in the future. Van Persie might be the best player of Arsenal last season but having said that.. it's not like Arsenal had so much quality. The others are pretty average. At the Dutch team Van Persie always has been one of the players. He never stood out. And Afellay is just sad. He barerly plays for Barcelona and should go to a team where he plays. Also he plays extremely poor for the Dutch team as well. Sneijder seemed to be the only one who wanted to make things happen. Funny to hear he wanted Huntelaar/Van der Vaart/Kuyt in the team. Sneijder really needs to be our new captain Anyway, I guess this was the end of an awful Dutch saga. The worst Dutch team I've ever seen, by far...

Dutch media were talking about. NOS and RTL who both have football talkshows were saying this. They said alot of shit happend and it's just waiting till the news is spread. I heard some things as well before the tournament started and think things have exploded after the loss versus Denmark.

I am just glad Van Marwijk is very soon gone I always hated that guy hahah... New coach hmmm Ronald Koeman? He can't buy/scout players but his tactics are always good! And buying players isn't important as national coach Frank Rijkaard? Or coaches like Louis van Gaal or Co Adriaanse. This team needs some discipline! Also I do think most of the good players aren't old enough yet to retire. The big players will get at least one extra tournament to show themselves. The next generation is weaker indeed, but the youth acadamies starting to produce again. Feyenoord has an fantastic upcoming youth, so does Ajax. Even teams like AZ and PSV have some talents! It's just waiting for these players and let's hope they will be ready in two years in Brazil ! Anyway, here some rumors who the ones who like gossiping like my self... Bouma punched the doctor in his face (dont know why yet) Huntelaar was almost kicked out of the hotel because he did whine to much he wasn't playing Van Persie wanted to be a striker and Afellay as winger, Sneijder wanted Van der Vaart and Huntelaar in the team (as striker) (Van Persie and Sneijder are the two 'bosses' in the team) Van der Wiel and Robben had a fight because Van der Wiel was always up versus two men, Robben didn't help him at all and only cared about himself Other players didn't want to give Van der Wiel the ball, because he gave it to the opponent Ohter players didn't want to give Robben the ball, because you will never see it back Robben told Van Marwijk to shut up when Van Marwijk tried to tell him to help Van der Wiel out (against Portugal) I heard there were plenty more fights and now I even more disgusted. As fan you have to watch this awful defending football tactics while the players got all the fun!!

Come on Ireland! Please get at least one point. Netherlands deserves to be the worst team!

Argh I knew I shouldn't have said that, if at least 10 wingers are injured. You never know about Babel and Lens lol Trust me, the future is gonna be bright of the Dutch team.

I disagree! Look at this, the 'near future squad' Stekelenburg/Vorm/Krul Zoet (is a fantastic talented goalkeeper from PSV) (Van der Hart is choosen as best player from the Ajax acadamy last season!) Van Rhijn (fanstastic RB at Ajax!) Van der Wiel Heitinga-Douglas (is Dutchman in august)- Viergever- Gouweleeuw - Denswil (all big talents from AZ, Heerenveen, Ajax)- Maduro - De Vrij (much better player than Vlaar)- Bruma perhaps as well Buttner (good LB at Vitesse)-Pieters-Emanuelson Anita (best CDM in Holland)- Nigel De Jong- Strootman- Fer Sneijder- Maher (best talent I have seen in a long long time)- Van der Vaart - Clasie- Afellay Narsingh- Van Persie- John (talented player at Benfica)- Robben- Elia- Afellay- perhaps even players like Lens and Babel Van Persie- Huntelaar - Van Wolfswinkel - Dost- Luuk de Jong Dutch is not Deutsch hahaha! Deutsch is German Dutch = Nederlands. Holland is an offical nick name of The Netherlands. Italia for example doesn't even translate or know the word netherlands. The only got Ollandia orso which means Holland. Both The Netherlands and Holland are official names. Of course this is fan talk haha! But the Dutch media is waaaaaaaaaaay more rude and harsh on Van Marwijk than me! Van Marwijk will get a shocker once he returned. Everyone 'hates' him. He will be sacked/resign very soon. The boss of the Dutch FA said this was a disgrace. Players aren't a team anymore. Van der Wiel had a fight with some other players. Van Persie wants to play as striker and Afellay as winger. Sneijder wants to play with Huntelaar as striker, Van Persie close to Huntelaar and Van der Vaart on the midfield. It's a mess! Every player wants a different tactic and Van Marwijk is to scared to make hard decisions. Dutch people/footballers have big mouth. You need to show them who is boss else things go out of hand, like it happened now!

These players are easy to scout though. His strengths and weaknesses are very easy to find He is a typical Van Gaal product. Left winger who wasn't good enough and then played as back. Just like Reiziger and Bogarde back in the days. Although it's not the perfect solution, I do hope Kuyt plays as left back against Portugal. We need to win anyway.

Without knowing it, you said it all. 3rd team after Germany. A bigger disgrace isn't possible! There are two important codes in Dutch football. Ajax is better than Feyenoord. The Netherlands are better than Germany. Once we have a new coach, a new era will start. Van Marwijk will get sacked anyway, no one likes him anymore with his Chelsea shuffles (we got even bigger borefests than France and PSV ugh..) His days are over!

I am so pissed off at Van Marwijk. He is such a weak coach! Very stubborn. Pure luck two years ago with WC 2010 final. Other teams were just horrible. Why Van der Wiel and no Van Rhijn? Van Rhijn was starting RB at Ajax while Van der Wiel was injured. And he did a better job!! Van Rhijn isn't even in the Dutch squad.. Where are Maduro (Valencia) and a very talented player like Viergever (AZ) left out? So much better than Vlaar and sorry.. Bouma. (Bouma is over the hill.) Why is a young guy playing as left back? Where is Buttner (Vitesse) of Emanuelson who plays at AC Milan? Emanuelson has 6 year experience as left back at Ajax and Milan.... Why De Jong and Van Bommel, a defensive wall in the Dutch team!? What a disgrace!! Where are Anita (Ajax) and revelation of last season Maher (AZ)?? Why is Stijn Schaars in the squad? He's useless! Forget about Strootman, he is another shitty defensive midfielder. I can't stand them anymore! Why Huntelaar as striker (as sub) but keeping Narsingh on the bench. And other wingers as Elia and John not even in the squad? Robben never gives any assists. Why Van Persie as striker? He is so much better in a 'free role' around Huntelaar. Why is Luuk de Jong on the bench always? He is brought as target man into the squad! And now we getting Dirk Kuyt every time!? Since when is Kuyt a target man when we are behind and things need to be 'forced'... Why is Van Bommel a starting player as 'old experienced player' but no Seedorf!? We could have had a midfield with Anita-Maher-Sneijder-Van der Vaart (Seedorf-Emanuelson-Afellay as subs). That midfield is truly epic. But no no Van Marwijk is our boss. So we get De Jong-Van Bomm... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz