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  1. 2 hours ago, Sam-AVFC said:

    Of course we do (although you wont remmber me as only stopped lurking recently) - good to see you're still here!

    This is what I love about football. A Chinese connection put you on to Villa, but although this all went wrong you've developed an attachment to the club and are still a supporter. That's great you got to Villa Park, it's been too many years since I've been.

    Are you based in the UK? I'm keen to meet a few guys from VT and go for some beers at some point, but am based in London.

    Judging by this thread there is definitely interest in both a Brum and London meet, but nothing set in stone.

    Yes I am in the UK, more specifically in the northern kingdom (GoT sense) 😂 Would be.great to meet up and talk about football!

    In addition to Villa games, I am currently also following games of Espanyol, as they have a Chinese player there. Many friends of mine also follow Inter. They seem to have a good owner from China, but I am not interested as I was raised as a Milan fan.

    Certainly a lot of football to watch!😃😃😃

     

  2. 1 hour ago, TheEgo said:

    I think a lot of pressure here in the UK might make a lot more noise. I've read all that stuff over the last few days and it casts the view of a 'fantasist' and a 'chancer' which sadly i think that's exactly what he is. Ultimately to Villa's undoing. I hope now England are out of the WC that the media take a closer look and do some honest and reliable reporting. 

    I agree and I think it is fair to call him a 'chancer', as buying Villa straight after relegation was a highly risky business decision, but with high gain potentially. Taking chances has always been a part of his business model - he buys and sells assets all the time, and make profit from that.

    Sadly he is not someone who is wealthy enough now - he used to be quite close to a billionaire (in pounds) back in 2015-2016 but now he is nowhere near that. He (or the people he hires) seems to make awful decisions. The financial difficulty of this club was resulted from many years' mismanagement, and making radical and unwise moves on transfer market over the two summers made that worse. He must have known the consequence of not getting promotion a long time ago, but he (or his people) still did it. 

    In fact, as soon as our last summer's transfer has done, it was the time that has already been too late to do anything about this. The only possible way out of this was to 1) get promotion or 2) sell players to cut spending. We didn't get promotion so we ended up with this mess now. I am not trying to say, by any means, that everything will be fine if we got promotion. But those decisions made on the transfer market over the last two seasons, i.e. gambling on promotion, were detrimental to this club.

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  3. 1 hour ago, KSV said:

    Anyone know any good contacts on twitter or emails to chinese media outlets we can alert them to this fraudster bringing their country into disrepute. 

    There is a website dedicated to that purpose - a lot of articles written by different people trying to reveal some ‘wrongdoing’ from his past, some even covering his personal life. The controversy, although not quite verifiable, has been there for years. 

    That approach does not seem to work unfortunately.

  4. 37 minutes ago, villabromsgrove said:

    My own take on this is that Tony Xia has lived on his wits and other peoples money since college.

    I'm a natural researcher because I have nothing better to do with my time. When Xia was announced as the prospective new Villa owner, I spent days and nights trying to find out everything on the internet regarding his attributes and the source of his 'wealth".

    I know that many of you also did exactly the same thing. After countless hours I had to concede that Xia had covered his tracks so well that no concrete facts and figures could be accessed. The only thing that emerged was that the companies he dealt with were not listed on the Shanghai stock exchange but were trading through Hong Kong, ie Rui Kang, Lotus Health etc, and as these shares were quoted in Yen it could easily lead to considerable mistakes in attributing wealth.

    My sons who are a lot more IT savvy than me drew the same blanks.

    I believe that Xia was approached by Samuelson spinning a deal for the 'golden goose' ie AVFC. Here was an opportunity for a young man with bursting ambition and less cash than he would have wished, to take a 'safe' (that's how it would have been spun) one or maximum two year gamble on accessing the riches of the Premier League.

    Xia would have been introduced to "football experts" who would have bedazzled him with a Champion's League winning manager RDM. Tony would have been coached in "sharing Lerner's vision" for the RL interview, and as an architect he would have been good at it.

    Two years later it's all gone tits up for Tony. The so called experts have disappeared, and the money that Xia has desperately borrowed to hang on to his failing dream has disappeared as well.

    Villa is the victim in all this.

    This is only my opinion and not based on any facts because it's impossible to unearth Xia related facts. I may be totally wrong. 

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    I think the second part (after 'my sons...') is more like personal opinions (which are possible but not quite verifiable), but the first part has places that are inaccurate. 

    1) It has been well documented (only in Chinese, up until now I have not found any translation in English about his pre-US life in China) that he was from a poor farmers family. Some were from his ex-wife and some were from his ex-classmates. These documents have high credibility as far as I can tell, however they cannot be 100% verified. 

    2) He suddenly became known to people in China because he was selected as the returning-professor in the first round of 1000-people plan. Just to give you an idea of what that means - that is roughly equivalent to FRS (fellow of royal society) in the UK in terms of academic achievement. But at that time, he was not even a tenure-track assistant professor in the US. At that time there were people who reported him of 'fraud', i.e. using misleading title (assistant professorship instead of research assistant-ship, which in Chinese are very similar), but there was no official investigation on this. I have seen photocopies of his application materials and the misleading was there (but to be 'fair' he is not the only one who did that, unfortunately). 

    3) ' The only thing that emerged was that the companies he dealt with were not listed on the Shanghai stock exchange but were trading through Hong Kong'. This is not true. There are two listed on Shanghai stock exchange, although he is not the sole owner ofc.

    4) 'as these shares were quoted in Yen' -  I guess you mean 'RMB' or 'CNY'.

  5. 4 hours ago, TheStagMan said:

    Thought his name was Ho, not He. My bad if I am wrong. 

    he is from mainland China, so it can only be HE. There is no ‘ho’ sound in Mandarin. I don’t quite get why he changed his family simply for other people’s convinience, but I understand as in my workplace nobody can get my names right.

    And the funny thing is, his last name, HE, should be pronounced as ‘her’ in English. That certainly makes things more confusing. :)

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  6. 2 minutes ago, ViewFromT2 said:

    This scenario makes perfect sense in the real world....but I fear Xia lives in some parallel universe. We can only guess what's going on in his head at the moment!

    To be fair it does not matter which universe we may live in, we can still only guess what's going on in someone's head. ?

  7. 28 minutes ago, villakram said:

    Ordinary investors... lol.

    You missed the mark to fantasy part, pay attention.

    I was referring to your idea of ‘don’t lose real money as long as you don’t sell in stock market’, which is quite silly in the context of how holding companies work. Only retail investors can afford doing that.

  8. 6 minutes ago, villakram said:

    When your stock drops in value you have not lost money real money. Unless of course "Dr." Xia, bought all those shares at the top. Cash out to realize gains and/or losses or else mark to fantasy and keep the plates spinning.

     

    I am not sure about that. We are talking about running major holding companies here, not as an ordinary stock investor (like you and me buying a stock in London). His business model is exactly that - he found two small listed companies and bought them so he had two ‘shells’ for reverse IPO. 

    More importantly, He is not the sole major shareholders of the listed stock. When the price drops, every shareholder suffers. And The companies behind the stock are making loss every year. So he cannot play the ‘wait until price goes up’ games like us ordinary investors.

  9. 6 minutes ago, TheEgo said:

    Pretty much every article has mentioned this as well as a professor who is an expert in Chinese Business, I'm not sure it's a stereotype per se.

    Whether or not that is a stereotype is not important. My point is he will not care about his face (i.e. Villa business) if his main business goes bust.

     

    8 minutes ago, TheEgo said:

     

    What that does tell us is our parent company is in HUGE trouble and so are we. Pretty much confirms all the 'speculation' we're f**ked if he doesn't sell as I've repeatedly insisted. Just needs to do it now. 

    Yeah. It is perhaps better IF villa can get a new owner with deep pocket and good management team. But for the crisis that the club is in, not quite sure how it is attractive to investors.

    From a business point of view, for Xia, selling now is perhaps not a good option.

    11 minutes ago, TheEgo said:

     

    @Deisler123 What did you make of his tweet, can you provide context, with the broken English? 

    It is simply impossible to ignore the media nowadays. So his words ‘didn’t look at news’ mean ‘don’t really bother’. And the fact that it took so long for him to respond was potentially due to : either he was busy in dealing with his main business, or he just made a major decision, which, based on the tweet itself, could be ‘i will not sell up for now and let’s see how things go in the near future.

  10. 7 minutes ago, Jareth said:

    This is useful, and also puts things in perspective. I get the impression that a load of Villa fans' angst is literally last on the priority list. While this is understandable, it's also a bit negligent of a club owner - especially when the owner has given the impression that they care. Agreed on the face saving thing, very easy to fall back on stereotypes. 

    It is totally justifiable for fans to be angry. Why would fans care about the owner’s business. The bad management decision was also there. So he must take the blame and the anger.

    Whether or not he will move on from the crisis (in terms of Villa business) is another thing though. If I were him, I will not sell at the moment. I will try to break even on finances and then try to see what happens next season. You can always argue that he should leave and sell up, but I don’t think selling at this point is a wise business decision. 

     

     

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  11. 14 minutes ago, TheEgo said:

    Reason I asked this is because quite a big deal is been made of it here in the UK. ie her won't sell as it will look bad in China. So his main business....Teamax? Is that in huge trouble? 

    Yes. He suffered huge loss since early 2017, in the scale of 50m~80m pounds (stock market value)

  12. 7 hours ago, TheEgo said:

    This is true and thus you'e far more sensible than the rest of us. Penny for your thoughts though? What's been said in China? Still not important enough to register? Xia will 100% want to look like he hasn't lost out though won't he? Culturally we hear that this would be very important to him...

    I am not sure saving face is his priority now. His priority is to save his businesses in China. People sometimes take the ‘culture point’ too seriously. Why would a businessman want to save face in his side business while his main business is in huge trouble?

    regarding the media coverage in China, no. Very little. Only top 6 premiership clubs are newsworthy in China. And Chinese ownership of an European club is not something new so people are not quite interested. Only places where Villa/Xia’s news appear are in economy websites - for people who are investing money in stock market. In general most news about Xia in stock market since 2017 has been bad - their prices have gone down a lot.

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  13. 12 minutes ago, DaveAV1 said:

    I’ve just read that AC Milan were bought for £648m in April last year, by a Chinese consortium who went on to spend £200m last summer on players. They now have ffp problems and are banned from Europe next season. Regardless of the ffp situation, which I’ll watch with interest, it does seem that the flow of money out of China doesn’t seem to be a problem for their owners. Perhaps the Chinese Gov don’t mind you taking money out of the country if you’ve actually got some?

    It has always been possible but, at the same time, difficult.

    Considering his financial difficulty now, it would not make too much sense to keep borrowing and keep investing into the club.

    Appointing a CEO who can reduce costs wisely and boost income over the summer would be the best strategy at the moment. But it has not happened yet.

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