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To everyone saying we won't move cause ownership said so...  please go back and re-read what they actually said.  It was worded very delicately in 'corporate speak'.  They said on several occasions there are NO PLANS to move/relocate from VP.  That means in simple terms- at the time of the question being asked no plans existed regarding moving away from VP.  So the statement was true at that time. 

So what happens when they actually DO have plans?  Villa will move away from VP and the previous statement will still be true.  Reality is we are likely looking to acquire more property to build a new VP.  NSWE wants long term success- the only way we can catch up to the teams above us financially is with a new stadium, full stop, in conjunction with European football, global marketing and sponsorships.

Mings and Carlos would be the rotational pair of central CBs when Konsa is deployed as a RB and we effectively are playing with 3 CBs.

Given the recent developments here with Directors named and Orascom project completions etc etc.  Here are my 2 cents to what may be happening:

VP expansion was put on 'hold'.  NSWE wanted to pause the project knowing that there was potential for a larger VP project in the future.  NS owns a large construction company that was not available until recently due to prior commitments- now they can fully commit to working on VP project.  WE has connections from his work with the Bucks at land acquisition and project development- now those parties have been brought on board.  Atarios was brought in as a minority owner to use their funding to assist in the acquisition of real estate, infrastructure etc.  Any business man will tell you that you don't finance projects yourself- you use someone elses money- or you borrow money.  Billionaires/developers don't spend their own money ever on construction- that is how you lose money- the payback period is too far out.  You bring in investors or take out loans and pay the interest on that money instead- and keep your money.

I see AVFC now with all 3 entities in place- funding (Atarios), management for acquisition (new directors), and construction (NS company).  The question is?  What and where?

Either its a larger expansion of VP- I don't see this as likely.  The ground is too restricted by travelways on either side, let alone all the individual homeowners that would need to be bought out.  Relocating roads and buying homes would be a major political endeavor.

A new VP is what I believe will ultimately happen.  An earlier poster showed all the industrial ground adjacent to the new academy AVFC built near VP.  Its an enormous site- that to me seems like an interesting spot to research.  The city has already committed to upgrade the rail stations near VP for the Euros.  Additional car parks can be added with the new stadium.  New commercial and residential development can also be incorporated as well- making it a bit of a destination.  The current VP site can be redeveloped as well as new commercial/residential- or the womens stadium could be located here, along with some commercial.

very exciting times.  UTV

It was also really telling how well our squad players performed today- like Zani and Rogers in particular.  They played really well against a top side in a hostile environment.  Very happy to see given our suspensions and injury issues at the end of the season.

It was also great to see Lenglet and Cash make the bench.  Makes me think they will be available for the 1st11 on Thursday for some much needed rotation- let Cash play RB and Konsa back to CB, etc.  Just an  amazing win by Villa today!  UTV

7 hours ago, Deano & Dalian's Umbrella said:

 

This is an image of fixation of a 5th metatarsal (little toe) stress fracture in an athlete, showing where the screw head would sit (the base of the 5th metatarsal which is the bony lump you can feel at the halfway point on the outside of your foot).

 

 

 

The systematic review referenced below states that:

"Removal of internal metalwork was not routinely undertaken. Twenty cases in all had removal due to prominent screw heads."

and then:

"The pooled results need to read with caution—although the overall rate of metal removal was <10 %, the rate of secondary surgery to remove painful screws can be almost 50 % .

https://esskajournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1007/s00167-012-2138-8

 

Yes, I know I said I would never post about medical stuff on here again. My name is Deano and Dalian's Umbrella and I have a problem.

Thank you for sharing your insight- I'm gonna have to dig up my 1994 xray and review it again!  haha

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I think its safe to say that guy is talking bollocks.

I can actually speak with some experience on this... obviously not a professional footballer!!  but I played footy into college.  I broke my metatarsal 4 times- same one- twice in High School, twice in college.  I now have a 5 inch screw in my foot as well.  NO SHOE rubs your screw lol.  If you wear shoes with poor padding your foot will get very sore walking/running all day.  The screw decreases mobility and flexibility in your foot- makes your foot stay 'flat' if that makes sense.

1 hour ago, Deano &amp; Dalian&#x27;s Umbrella said:

Someone on another forum has given such specific updates on Ramsay that they are either in the know or completely insane, and I am going with the former.

12 days ago they said:

Screw in toe is rubbing against boot.

 

I didn't know the screw was on the OUTSIDE of his foot 

5 hours ago, Czarnikjak said:

I don't know. Perhaps they have some agreement with UEFA to provide them with high level figures for all clubs.

Our accounts would have been signed off for a while now as we had to share them with premier league and uefa for FFP calculations.

 

Anyway £214m is good...I was expecting something much closer to £200m

imagine how much higher it would have been if Heck was able to sell those pesky 200 seats every match! #VillaFansOut

Every time someone mentions that Everton fella I think he's one of those Braithwaites moonshiners from Red Dead Redemption2.  Cowboy bastards.  

Villa are looking to buy stadium ground in NW London.  Problem solved.  Changing the name to London Villa.

18 hours ago, allani said:

Understood.  But I do think that part of the issue with the badge pre-dates Heck (but I've explained that above so no point going over it again).  Also I think there are quicker ways to bring in more revenue to spend on the team than an expensive redevelopment that was also going to reduce our revenue over the next 2 seasons because it would reduce our capacity in the short term.  Given everything that is happening with FFP in that same period that looks like quite a big risk and something that would mean we'd have less cash to spend on the team.  So I kind of see this in the exact opposite way to you - it's a sign (to me) that the club want to invest as much as possible in the squad over the next couple of years and to me that shouts ambition to establish ourselves in the top group as quickly as possible.  Get things on the pitch sorted first and then look at the surrounding infrastructure.  I hope that's what it signals anyway!

But I do get / appreciate where you are coming from and I had expected a more "professional" / engaged approach to complex issues (blimey that's almost me agreeing with you twice in one day !!).  We could have avoided a lot of the noise around the badge and the redevelopment had the comms / engagement been better handled and the decisions better explained.

I do agree with this take.  I was very unhappy about the development pause/cancel.  But if the numbers don't add up then it certainly make sense to hold the expansion.  It also certainly makes sense from a commercial standpoint to maximize the 'easier' areas first before making a large financial commitment.  Updating our sponsors, badge update (regardless of whether I agree/disagree with the design), acquire new sponsors, etc.  All these elements can be done to increase revenues without capital expenditure. Once Heck has maximized AVFC, then we can look at facility expansion.

But yes initially it was very disappointing- and the comms/excuses were very poorly handled.

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The star/badge location issue is another reason why I've been enamored with the AVFC round badge.  The answer to me is so simple.  Just put the star in the round ring of the badge at the bottom, which leaves space for future stars should they come.  Put the 18 and 74 on either side of the ring (at 9oclock and 3oclock).  Then have Aston Villa arching across the top.  Sort out the colors, face the lion however the fans want, make the lion a bit detailed...  job done.

I wholeheartedly agree with an earlier post from Capt Town.  The circle badge should have been the starting point- then just make improvements from it (like what I listed above).  We will never have a unanimous opinion regarding the badge, but the round badge was something like 75% voted on- so it was overwhelmingly agreed upon by fans.  Just very disappointed that we have not started at this point and made revisions, instead we scrapped it.

Thats OK we can just follow our previous transfer policy of signing the Brentford player a few years later for triple the price.

pretty certain he is Cup tied.  So he can only play for us in UECL and Premier League.  I can honestly only see him getting spot minutes in both.  Coming on as a 2nd half sub in the EUCL, and possibly doing the same against lower sides in the Premier League.

I fully believe the 'new badge' was intentionally leaked to test the waters.  That is a very American thing to do.  Guage the social media plaudits or outcry.  Message received and AVFC are internally reviewing the original design, potentially updating it.  That is the delay in its release imo.  Nothing drastic- but making alterations to try and appease the masses.  Despite what ppl may think on here- commercial execs will take this criticism very seriously- given the fear they will have that a universally disliked badge could negatively affect merchandise sales and global attraction.  How can Heck and co expect to attract new global fans and inspire existing fans to spend more money on merch if the majority dislike the AVFC badge?  

VT might dismiss this as folly- but commercial execs certainly will not.

3 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said:

Aside from wanting to eat whatever our new Nutrition Manager is serving... Round badge does look nice here to be fair .

" Elisa Ceñal, nutritionist at Pachuca, will be the new nutrition manager at Aston Villa in England led by Unai Emery. "

 

The UE mystery has now been solved.  This new 'nutritionist' gave UE pink eye doing freaky stuff behind closed doors.  The missus found out and gave UE the fat lip.  

you're welcome VT.

On 13/01/2024 at 08:40, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said:

I saw a random claim Samsung was going to be our new sponsor funnily enough.

Likely nonsense though.

Apparently the BK8 deal is quite healthy.

ITK...  our new sponsor:

TROJAN CONDOMS 

Imagine have TROJAN across the front of the shirts! 

That said.  This most recent leaked badge is a tremendous improvement.  Fair play.  I actually LIKE the attempt to have Aston Villa at the bottom- that is something that makes us different than all the other badges- very few have the name at the bottom.  Not a big fan of the lack of Claret in the badge- I think they could perhaps do away with the white band in the shield outline and just make it a thicker Claret band?  Maybe that would help bring in more Claret, idk.

Personally I still prefer the round badge- but this effort makes it much closer for me.  Maybe 60/40 now.  I could certainly grow into this- but i'm VERY curious to see how this badge is 'blown up' into 3-4 different AVFC logos (ala Phil 76ers).  One of the things I really liked about the round badge is its very easy to remove pieces and keep the AVFC logo and feel.  Not sure how easily that is done with an asymmetrical shape.

UTV

scenes when AVFC officially reveal the badge and its the shite one from the trademark leak!

The current round badge actually LOOKS professionally done.  This supposed badge by Heck literally looks like MS Paint.  Or an MLS badge.  Its embarrassing really.  I'm hopeful that these are only mock ups and not the final badges that were submitted.- which is possible.  If so- perhaps fan revolt can get them changed- like what happened with Leeds, West Ham, and Everton.  This is Aston Villa's branding and global identity ffs- potentially for the next decade during our most successful recent time as a football club.  Do we really want this Lerner-esque thing to define us?  I certainly do not.

This morning on Twitter I was scrolling through the Epstein docs looking for Heck's name- so Villa could sack him.  

(not really)

2 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said:

There was a huge amount of hospitality in the North Stand designs, at a number of different levels, with a load of GA+, boxes and lounges - one of the big selling points of the design was that they would be able to open a single hospitality area that stretched from the lounges between the Holte End and Trinity to the wall at the Witton Lane end of the new stand - something that would have given them the ability to sell it as a 4,000 delegate venue on non-matchdays. I think they'll struggle to significantly increase the amount of corporate seating from these designs.

 

Well if thats the case...

HECK OUT!  

I still believe the North Stand will be redeveloped.  But I think the design will change to include alot more corporate seating- that is where the big money is at the stadium.  I suspect Heck ran the numbers and the payback was around 20yrs- that is too long.  It needs to be in the 10yr range.  AVFC is going to max out commercial revenues at VP- upgrade the club shop, renovate the warehouse, etc.  They can also look at trying to add seats in the corners if possible- I don't think it is as previously stated.

In the meantime- they will bank on the team making and staying in UCL places for the near future.  If that can occur it will justify the big $100mil outlay.  Then they can knock down the North Stand and rebuild- add 6k-7k plus seats, fill the corners properly, AND add many corporate boxes between the lower and upper levels.