Big_John_10

Just get out of our club, we were better off with Doug.

Doug was at a point where he had to go but his last year was better than the last 3 we've had under Lerner.

Each are bad but for different reasons. At least Lerner has looked after the heritage and history which keeps him light years ahead of Doug.

TBH I buy a season ticket to watch the team and how they perform and the results they get is the main concern for me. My time watching villa under Doug was more enjoyable than watching villa under Lerner.

Would you be happy with someone like Red Bull buying us then BJ10? Someone who would really try to make us successful, but would change the colours, crest and stadium name.

It would depend on how much they changed.

Doug wouldn't stand a chance in the modern game to be fair. Football has moved on very quickly in terms of finances and such, completely different to what it was even when Randy had first bought us.

I think the only way we'd be able to compete or be successful without a rich owner is if we got relegated and had time to rebuild from the ground up, outside of the Premier League. I still think it is incredible that we haven't gone down in these last 4 seasons.

Lerner doesn't stand a chance in the modern game. Like I said earlier the last 3 years have been worse than when Doug was old, ill and on his way out.

Everton seem to find a way, spurs have not spent city/Chelsea levels of money and they're up there. Newcastle have had moments recently as well. I think its just excuse making for Lerner stating that there's no way. Lets not also forger that he's certainly made it harder for us by allowing more teams to financially over take us and by putting us in this current mess.

I imagine Keane now realises he wasn't ready for management and is trying to add experience before he tries it again in the future.

Just get out of our club, we were better off with Doug.

Doug was at a point where he had to go but his last year was better than the last 3 we've had under Lerner.

Doug was no billionaire yet he managed to run the club better than it is now. I'm not saying it wasn't becoming dark times under Doug but still what's all that about?

It amazed me that some were excited and praised Lerner not long back when they hoped we'd become the team we managed to be under Doug.

Just get out of our club, we were better off with Doug.

Doug was at a point where he had to go but his last year was better than the last 3 we've had under Lerner.

Each are bad but for different reasons. At least Lerner has looked after the heritage and history which keeps him light years ahead of Doug.

TBH I buy a season ticket to watch the team and how they perform and the results they get is the main concern for me. My time watching villa under Doug was more enjoyable than watching villa under Lerner.

Herp derp lol he's shit despite never kickin a ball 4 da teem lol11! eleven thousand one hundred and eleven.

Hilarious. Tell us all how good things are instead.

In terms of his off field activity my only major bugbear is the lack of money received for players during his tenure.

I don't hold it against him entirely as it's difficult to know how actively involved he's been in the outgoings of players, but someone's dropped the ball because to get the money we have for:

Warnock

Collins

Cuellar

Lichaj

Holman

Dunne

Makoun

Bannan

Ireland

Albrighton

Not to mention the inability to sell:

Hutton

Bent

Is criminal. Spurs would have made about £30M out of that at least I'd wager

I doubt lambert has had much to do with negotiating fees for those players

Sorry mate, you're only allowed to be either 'over the moon' or depressed/angry with everything.

, it's just another signing that shows the level the owner has dragged us to.

no disagreement at all and my post should not be read about me being happy about this, but merely to show an understanding of why we have signed him

Yeah I completly understand why we've signed him. There's no way we're bringing quality into the squad this summer.

I'm not sure lambert building a poor squad should then mean he should be classed as doing OK for keeping them in the league.

Where have I said people are over the moon with this signing?

Like I hinted at above.

In January we fans were crying out for defensive cover.

We don't have the money to be buying very good, established centrebacks when we've got 2 perfectly capable ones in Vlaar and Okore. The money needs to be spent elsewhere where we do need significant improvements.

What we need is someone who can play when Vlaar is inevitably injured.

I think that's what we've got in Senderos. No he's not the best CB in the world. But like I said we're not looking to buy a certain starter there. We're getting someone who can cover and provide competition. And with the money we have, i.e. nothing, we needed a fairly cheap option, which is what we've got.

I agree. I also don't think there's many unhappy with the signing as just a signing. Most seem to be frustrated with the situation that sees these kind of signings being made.

but for some reason you get very annoyed that people try to see something positive in it

Who did I get annoyed with?

I think his point is that you seem to think that anyone who is not utterly disgusted with something has to be very happy about it. There's no room for middle ground it seems. Lerner and Lambert are good examples. If you don't hate them and think everything they've done is wrong then you must love them.

Does it really though? As I keep on saying, we signed many players of this standard even when we were doing relatively well.

I think you need to read posts again. It wasn't me who jumped on peoples opinion.

Strange logic. Does just surviving for any manager show they're not out of their depth?

Sorry mate, you're only allowed to be either 'over the moon' or depressed/angry with everything.

You mock yet people who have expressed a negative opinion over this signing are again being questioned over it.

You can be what you like about it, it's just another signing that shows the level the owner has dragged us to.

In January, people were up in arms when we signed Holt. They were saying instead of signing a striker on the cheap on a short term contract, we should have used the wages to sign a centreback on similar terms because we lacked cover.

Remember that?

Doesn't mean those who were saying that should automatically accept whatever CB we sign.

No, but some perspective over our current situation would help, especially when signing a back-up centre back.

I think most people are annoyed by our current situation. The fact we're in a position signing another average squad player is very annoying.

What?

You've completely changed your point.

My point is he's not a decent player. He's a bang average defender at best and that's why he's signed for a club like ours.

He is pretty average. I don't think anybody can deny that. He is just better than what we have.

Possibly. And again that fact is just depressing.

But you've just accepted that we're average.

Are you lowering your expectations?!?!£?!£?!"?£$"?$

Er no. Thats why I think its a disgrace that we're the state we're in.

What?

You've completely changed your point.

My point is he's not a decent player. He's a bang average defender at best and that's why he's signed for a club like ours.

Oh gawd, woe is us, doom and gloom jeezus man, can't you give it a rest for one page of posts?

It's the frickin summer, close season not even pre-season, if we're struggling come crimbo you're gonna end up topping yourself!!!

Oh sorry, I must be the only one who isn't over the moon about this..oh wait.

Yeah I said similar not long back. No owner is going to spend £200 million and risk going down. If it doesn't happen with enough time to sign some quality then yep its another 12 months before anyone shows interest.

Although what you say makes rational sense, isn't that exactly what Shahid Khan did with Fulham?

Not sure Fulham last year were the mess we currently are. But yeah maybe someone will be daft enough to gamble.

Okore has retweeted a few tweets about him playing as a DM now senderos has signed.

Wonder if there's anything in that.

What?

You've completely changed your point.

My point is he's not a decent player. He's a bang average defender at best and that's why he's signed for a club like ours.

He is pretty average. I don't think anybody can deny that. He is just better than what we have.

Possibly. And again that fact is just depressing.

What?

You've completely changed your point.

My point is he's not a decent player. He's a bang average defender at best and that's why he's signed for a club like ours.

I have to question the label decent player. What decent players come to a club in the state ours is in to sit on the bench?

I'm guessing, and bear with me here because its a crazy concept, that possibly a player who's played at the level Senderos has might just have a bit of self belief and think he could force his way into the side!!

I very much doubt he's come here to sit on the bench.

He possibly WILL end up on the bench if Okore realises his potential, but I'm pretty sure that's not what he's aiming for and not how the club will have got him to sign.

Then you'd think a decent player, with self belief to be a starter on a free would have better options than a club in our current state

It's like an abused partner in a relationship. Constantly trying to convince yourself it's not that bad and things will get better.

Last season was utter garbage and while there are reasons that played their part the main reason is the manager didn't do a very good job.

With regards to the takeover, timing and our budget for this summer.

Surely if we scrape by this summer covering holes in the squad with frees on sensible wages then Randy will struggle to sell the club for a minimum of 12 months.

Because if we go into the new season without improving the squad to any great extent then we will be on short odds for relegation. Can't imagine any owner wanting to buy a club looking likely to relegated and without the chance of doing anything much to save them.

Yeah I said similar not long back. No owner is going to spend £200 million and risk going down. If it doesn't happen with enough time to sign some quality then yep its another 12 months before anyone shows interest.

I have to question the label decent player. What decent players come to a club in the state ours is in to sit on the bench?