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Thug

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  1. Ok, this is what I meant, but worded it (very) poorly, I don’t think they actively want them dead, but they don’t seem to be prioritising getting them released. The net result being that they will likely perish.
  2. https://www.timesofisrael.com/hanegbi-israel-wont-negotiate-with-hamas-on-hostages-now-will-remove-it-from-power/amp/ “Israel will not hold negotiations with an enemy that we have vowed to wipe from the face of the earth,” he said, briefing reporters at the Israel Defense Force’s Tel Aviv headquarters.
  3. Look man, in my opinion none of your posts are balanced. They are blinkered, prejudiced and one sided. The whole point of debate is to try to change someone mind - even a little. You’re clearly on some different mission, and I find you tiresome. I feel everything you say is to try to trap or provoke me, and you’ve already tried the typical methods of rallying everyone around to gang up on me - much like what I’ve seen in the media already. I’m not going to directly engage you anymore because of this. I believe your opinions are deeply rooted and completely prejudiced. I find your lack of empathy towards people’s suffering (other than those you align with) to be deeply disturbing, and I feel that the more I engage you, the more chance I give you to spout your nonsense. I don’t want any pain or suffering to anyone, Jewish people included. I want de-escalation, all hostages to return home and above all I want peace. I want Israel to be safe and to prosper, along with all its neighbours. I want them to trade, and I want them to live happily. So I shall leave it at that with you. Whether you can bring it upon yourself to agree with any of that, quite frankly I don’t care any more. UTV.
  4. No I didn’t say that they were just willing to let them go. I said Israel are not/were not/and will not be particularly interested in getting them back because they are more interested in a different objective. Accusing me of bullshit sentiments doesn’t change that (not by you btw). By Israel I mean their government. Now before @Tumblerseven tries to rally villatalk against me again for I don’t even know what, let me be clear. These accusations are also coming from Jewish people from within Israel - and in fact are the loudest voices making these accusations. Also let me be quite frank here, I don’t ‘need’ to do anything any more than @Awol ‘needs’ to answer my question about what the only civilised response to the blockade of water to Gaza is. Any more than @Tumblerseven ‘needs’ to retract his statement that not everyone is entitled to governing their own country. Or any of them ‘need’ to condemn the war crimes being committed by Israel. Im quite happy to do the appropriate condemning off of my own back. And if I wish to condemn the Israeli government for refusing to negotiate the release of its citizens, then I’m absolutely entitled to do so. I already condemned Hamas for taking them - before @Tumblerseven gets too excited. Feel free to search my posts with regards to my feelings about the terror attacks that kicked all this shit off.
  5. There you go, I was even more wrong than I thought I was wrong. And as promised, I apologise once again for leading the masses astray. In my defence, how was I supposed to know that, when even the constitution of the party makes it look like it’s a thing? I would love to know the full details of how the electoral system works? https://public.conservatives.com/organisation-department/202101/Conservative Party Constitution as amended January 2021.pdf
  6. @LondonLax @Tumblerseven Hamas official interview confirmed the offer. @LondonLax I hope you see I was not posturing any particular framing. However. Having read your previous comments I am happy that your posts have not been biased and your comment was one of genuine concern. so I shall just leave it there. you may argue that you don’t believe them. But not even willing to trade 1 hour of ceasefire to test it out? Really?
  7. Oh I know that, and you know that…
  8. oh don’t you worry, I’ll find that video for you.. and then you will apologise, and admit that the Israeli government are not putting the hostages first.
  9. not the exact video I was referring to, which I shall continue to look for around the 2:35 minute mark: American reporter before you start debunking it.
  10. Wow ive seen this tactic somewhere before… not quite sure where….
  11. Woah, that was reported by an American news channel. not my framing. let me find the YouTube video And what is it with you and your obsession with trying to catch me out? Ive said a million times the hostages need to be released. Hell, they shouldn’t have been taken in the first place. I want them released. As soon as possible, without conditions. No doubt Hamas put conditions on their release, but the Israeli side have so far refused to negotiate. There have been Israeli officials on tv That have quite clearly stated they will not negotiate with terrorists. What framing did I use?
  12. They know where they are. Hamas have offered to release them. The Israeli government have refused this offer. The release of the hostages is the polar opposite of what they want. They are desperate for the hostages to die in captivity so that they can use that as an excuse to continue the bombardment. stick the posters up on the Israeli embassy wall where they can be seen by the people that can actually bring them home.
  13. if you’re going to be pedantic, then so am I. The party that forms government is usually the one that wins the election, with its leader being APPOINTED as prime minister. The leader of the party is ELECTED by members of the party. Ergo: Prime ministers ARE elected in this country. So don’t repeat your nonsense. Next time please clarify which electorate you are referring to avoid people getting the wrong impression of the voting system. Less pedantic answer: The last two prime ministers were not APPOINTED by the residing monarch after the PARTY THEY REPRESENTED had won a controlling majority number of seats in a general election with its present leader in office. I apologise whole-heartedly to anyone that read my nonsense and was ready to take up arms against the establishment. I wrongly gave the impression that the leader of a political party has an influence on voting patterns. I was wrong to suggest that if a political party wins an ELECTION that the natural progression from the result of this election would be the said leader of said party being appointed prime minister. It is entirely possible that the monarch may choose not to do this. I was therefore incorrect to suggest that they would have been Elected into office. The correct way to have said this would have been to say that prime minister had been APPOINTED into the role after being ELECTED as leader of their party and then the party to have won the election whilst this person was in charge of the party. Hell, I may even be wrong about what I wrote above, but I’m sure I’ll soon find out, and apologise for it too. we cool now?
  14. Neither of last 2 were elected. The one before that had his opposition labelled as a psychopath not worthy or able to rule. oh the irony.
  15. I don’t think he said they ‘were’ propganda. He was referring to the perception of it being propaganda. Can’t really produce evidence without asking the perpetrator to explain their thoughts at the time
  16. Apparently had cut off all food, water and fuel supply so McDonalds heroically stepped in. Shame on those people asking for a boycott.
  17. What is TRULY fascinating is those that support Israel seem to exhibit the same self centred beliefs of the country itself. They will do everything to highlight there own suffering, but refuse to acknowledge anyone else’s no matter how many more times horrific it may be. Ripping posters off a wall: the only civilised response is to find it sickening. when asked about the civilised response to cutting off water supply to 2m.people? Silence. There is an inherent racism in the way some posters make their posts. Ripping posters from walls should be condemned and is uncivilised. Cutting water supplies you ignore and champion. I have no respect for anyone that does not value life, and people are showing themselves for what they are. will you answer? What the ONLY civilised response to someone cutting off water supplies to 2m people is before you start judging the moral bankruptcy of others? Thank you. Let’s see if you ignore it for a second time.
  18. Agreed. what is the only civilised reaction a person can have to water being cut off to 2 million people?
  19. That’s a lot of angry countries. 153 million countries. I’d still hedge my bets israel would smash 153 million countries. No attrition needed.
  20. To be fair, when there is a tragedy, there is usually more than one mistake, and ergo more than one party to blame. So he wasn’t ‘shifting blame’ rather ‘distributing’ it. With the obvious advantage of hindsight, would you not agree that the potential risks were not fully assessed and therefore it was a mistake? Or maybe they WERE fully assessed, but the assessment was wrong.
  21. He’s obviously been taught the concept of backtracking after doing damage is easy.
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