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Just going back to this. I have assumed you get a bonus point for winning the tournament but I can't see that confirmed anywhere. Has anyone seen anything on this?

How we looking on the yellow card front? Looks like we have a a few players on 2 yellow cards?

I’ll be glad when I don’t have to worry about other teams results like this. One thing worrying about Spurs and Man Utd. Another thing worrying about Dortmund v Ath Madrid

Somewhat true but as you say this is a thread about Champions League and not the match thread. Also conceding late as soured the taste a little.

Think you can be both. They are not mutually exclusive. I want us to win a trophy more than I want us to get UCL. However, we can do both and what we do has a big impact on that.

Right let's see where that leaves us. Germany - 16.786 England - 16.750 Scenario 1 - Probably realistic best case given what has happened 1. Man City v Real Madrid - Man City Win and go through 2. Bayern v Arsenal - Arsenal draw and go through on pens 3. Dortmund v Ath Madrid - Dortmund win the game but Ath Madrid go through on pens 4. Atalanta v Liverpool - Liverpool win the tie but go out 5. West Ham v Leverkusen - draw and West Ham out 6. Lille v Villa - Draw and Villa go through Points Totals Outlook The maximum Germany can get in this scenario is an additional 1.143 points. That is assuming Leverkusen win both Semi ties and win the final (assume they get a bonus point for winning the final). That is 18.608 points. That would mean England would need to get 0.697 or (5.576/8) points to move ahead. The lowest maximum we would get from Man City v Arsenal assuming both ties are drawn is 5 points. So we would just need Villa to draw one leg in the Semi final to go through in that scenario. Scenario 2 - Probably realistic middle to worst case given what has happened 1. Man City v Real Madrid - Man City Win and go through 2. Bayern v Arsenal - Arsenal draw and go out on pens 3. Dortmund v Ath Madrid - Dortmund win the game and go through 4. Atalanta v Liverpool - Liverpool win the tie but go out 5. West Ham v Leverkusen - Leverkusen go through by winning the second leg as well 6. Lille v Villa - Draw and Villa go through Points Totals Outlook This is where we are relying on us and Man City to get to the final and at least one of us to win it. Assume Leverkusen get to the final by drawing one leg, winning the other then win the final. Assume Dortmund lose both legs and go out. That would add 1 to their score (7 points divided by 7). Assume Bayern draw one leg against City i.e. 0.143 points. That leaves Germany on 19.037. Man City and Villa drawing one leg and winning the other adds another 1 point to ours (i.e 8 points divided by 8). So we are now on 18.661 with 2 English teams in the final. If Man City win and we lose then that is 3 points for England i.e. 0.375 points added - 19.036! We lose out by the barest of margins. I don't think there is any point doing a scenario where Bayern, Dortmund, Leverkusen all go through and only City go through from the English sides. In that scenario it's done. EDIT: Revised outlook for Scenario 2 due to there being no bonus point for winning the final Levrkusen - they would add 0.857 to Germany’s score Bayern - would add 0.143 Germany new score - 18.894 England new score - 18.911

I was fully invested at one stage but it’s dire now. Tbf it has helped somewhat in that WWE has shifted its product but not sure that’s down to AEW or UFC

If it helps I woke up really confident today

Depending on how it actually happens I.e over pens or straight victories then it's likely an English team would only need a draw in one of the legs to get enough points. If City and Arsenal go through then it's guaranteed as they play each other so guaranteed points. Will do an update after tonight with a likely scenario for next week.

Finally watched it all the way through. Absolutely loved it. Excited to see what comes next.

Absolute joke show by AEW. It peaked when Daniel Bryan made his debut and it's been downhill ever since. Big shame.

If Dortmund, Bayern and Leverkusen go through then yeah we won't know till the final probably. If two of those go out then it's done.

Bowen out for these European games which is a big blow. Relying on Liverpool and Villa tomorrow to get some daylight between us and Germany.

Good they held on as they made sure Dortmund got no points this round. Big day tomorrow

They only don’t get the bonus point for this round. They will after this round.

I don’t think it can be a tie really given how the draw has fallen.

Definitely in our hands. Villa will also have a big say. So if we do end up finishing 5th then it’s not back door in to the Champs League. We more than likely would have had a lot to do with getting that extra place. I’ll do a new scenario once Thursdays results are out the way to see who the favourites are and what it means.

One good result and one average. City should beat Madrid at home and hopefully have Walker and KDB back. Arsenal can beat anyone on their day but will need to be better than they were today. Need an Ath Madrid win tomorrow and we are in a decent place.

Long way to go yet. City are missing Walker as they looked suspect on the break. Arsenal are not doing much with the ball and Bayern have a pretty good shape about them. Maybe they should play on the counter more in the Bundesliga. City will either come back and win 3-2 or lose 4-1. I can’t see Arsenal getting back in this. Bayern have them where they want them and Arsenal are relying on Odegard playing quarter back when he needs to be in and around the edge of the box. They do look better on corners so maybe a goal there for them.

If all that happens then we wont need to worry about Villa winning the final. It will be guaranteed.

Not confident at all tbh

Yeah everyone knows that we are finishing 6th.

Yeah but we wont have to

Bring him on in the final when we are 4-0 up