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I always think Hause should be a huge threat from set plays. He wins everything, sadly it seems when he wins an attacking header he’s got a head like a balloon

19 minutes ago, ben1505 said:

This reminds me a bit of Spurs after him a few seasons back and the media had all reported that he’d gone then he stayed… it seems strange that he’d entertain going now when we are in a much stronger position and potentially on the verge of breaking into the top 4/6. I just watched an interview between reporters on sky and they were talking about this. Jack to City is very likely they agreed on.. when asked about Kane to City they agreed it was very unlikely, even though Kane has publicly said that he wants to leave, because Spurs don’t have to sell….. what, and we do have to sell???

To be fair Jack himself has admitted he was going to Spurs. The only thing that saved us was Daniel levy offering £3 million and josh onomah!

let’s be perfectly clear if the idiot had offered £5million and onomah, Jack would have been gone. Instead Levy didn’t even offer enough liquid cash for Xia the crook to pay the tax bill!

then the next week we were taken over and Levy realised he had **** the goose. It was and still is a wonderful memory

2 hours ago, Davkaus said:

Your heart is in the right place, but bollocks to this. He's never had the choice to leave because a club has never made an accepotable offer. Are we praisin hium fror not downing tools and refusing to play?

He signed a 5 year contract, if he's now saying he wants to leave, he's pissed over any concept of loyalty, and waved goodbye to having any kind of legacy at Villa.

He said all the right things, but as soon as he's had a real chance to leave, he's off. 

My post wasn’t the heat it was practical.

 He has had many opportunities to leave. when we were stuck in the championship he could have moved to the premier league at any point, he stuck with us.

 When Spurs bid just as xia left many wouldn’t have begrudged him a move away, it wouldn’t even have taken him to down tools. He dragged us to within a game of the PL single handed. Then the next year after three months out he dragged us on a ten game winning run back to where we belong.

his form since then has undoubtedly kept us in the league.

 Yes he didn’t have to sign a five year deal, yes it got him more money, but if he didn’t he would have had a year left and left for peanuts. 

By not signing he would have forced the club to cash in. Instead he risked it all staking on himself that he was good enough for a top club to pay top dollar and get us a record transfer fee. More than paid for any other player in PL history ffs!

Jack owes us nothing. we are where we are because of him he rescued us from the abyss after Lerner and xia. Eden’s and Sawiris had barely any chance to make an impact before he graded us back to the PL single handed. He is and always will be one of us. I am sure we will go from strength to strength and I wouldn’t bet against jack winning a golden ball if he stays fit.

however feelings and sentiment aside, my original post made clear I believe Jack has a serious injury. One which I suffered with for many years. It is usually a chronic condition that only becomes worse at elite level as it struggles to cope with the loading required at that level. It genuinely would not surprise he to see Jack struggle more frequently from now on with that type of injury. At the euros he hasn’t looked anything like his explosive self. Yet city are willing to blow that kind of money. It’s a huge risk.

I also maintain that we are too reliant on Jack, when he plays others wait for him to do something rather than stepping up to the plate. When he is out we are devoid. We are now in a place we can build. I genuinely believe in many Watts both the club and Jack May be holding each other back in some small way. Both can go on to achieve greater things.

I also think we shouldn’t underestimate the commitment a 200k a week contract is for villa. Jack May be special but others coming in will expect parity. We may have rich owners but our turnover cannot sustain that. We have all seen rich playboys lose interest to the point the very future of our club was in the balance. We shouldn’t be going that road again. We are building with youth and sound recruitment and should increase as our profile and turnover do.

jack is special but not enough to risk the future of the club. Paying a contract like that will have all new signing and current players wanting more, much more. It’s dangerous and for the reasons pointed above, I feel this offer may be actually more of an opportunity than many realise

It’s an incredibly difficult , complex situation.

 
the snake comments are ridiculous. Jack has shown tremendous loyalty to us and surely we can all accept (however begrudgingly) that a player of his talents deserves to test himself at the highest level. He doesn’t have many years left until he is at his peak so it’s not like he is 21 and can just give us a few years.

on the other side of it, we are and have been for many years been over reliant on Jack. That isn’t healthy for the club, particularly when he does miss on average a third of every season. He has questionable injury history and an injury to an area which often turns out to be chronic (I genuinely believe there is an issue with the shins with recurrent stress fractures) the club have done everything to down play it each time it’s occurred but on each occasion it’s been 3/4 months out.

£100 million for a 26 year old with that kind of injury history (with a currently managed problem) doesn’t seem like such a bad deal. We have to avoid getting dragged in by the romantics of one of our own. As hard as that is to say. Jack literally gave me my love back of club after a torturous ten years. 
 

we currently have an exceptional set up and recruitment team, better than we have ever had. If we get £100 million we can trust it will be reinvested well and in other areas of the team to improve the overall quality of the squad and becoming less reliant on one player.

as much as it breaks my heart to say it, now is probably the best time to do it, his shin issue is still being managed and if he has another period out his value will go down and we will have another huge drop off in form. 
 

I think in a strange way it may be in our best interests (and probably Jack’s) that if a few can be agreed we both part ways. We end up with a stronger more competitive and consistent side full of young hungry and valuable assets, he goes on to show just how brilliant he is.

I just hope we invest the money well in young hungry players and not waste half of it on JWP!!

6 hours ago, Kiwivillan said:

The Premier League states the official definition is: "Subject to Rule T.7, a contract player, either by himself or by any person on his behalf, shall not either directly or indirectly make any such approach as is referred to in Rule T.5 without having obtained the prior written consent of his club."

City fans believe personal terms agreed. Bollocks

Listen it’s obvious this is common place. The player doesn’t even need to speak to the club. It’s all done via agents who discuss via representatives so no direct contact with club. It’s easy enough to establish the personal terms are not an issue this way.

that’s when clubs and agents even bother to adhere to this rule, which the majority don’t as almost impossible to prove and when has anyone ever been given a punishment for breaching it?

Strong suggestions this afternoon Arsenal are going for Maddison. Surely that would see ESR not renew his contract as would severely limit his minutes?

19 hours ago, Monkeypuzzle said:

So with Brighton's Ben White available for just above £50 million I was wondering what sort of value our own players would realistically be sold for in today's crazy market prices. I'm hoping none of them are sold, but IF they were, what price would we ask for? Fees paid from transfermarket.co.uk

Name                         Fee paid                        Selling price

Martinez                    £15.66 million              £50+ million?

Cash                           £14.18 million             £14.18 million (not sure be a lot of bidders)

Konsa                         £11.97 million             £45+ million?

Mings                          £20.07 million            £40+ million?

Targett                        £13.95 million             £30+ million? Agree he will be near this figure after another year like last year. At the moment I think closer to 20.

McGinn                        £2.79 million              £40+ million?

Douglas Luiz               £15.12 million           £20-25mill. Particularly with contact situation

Grealish                        Free                             £150+ million?

Buendia                         £34.56 million          £50+ million? (By the end of next season)

Traore                            £16.56 million          £18-20 mill, big season coming up

Watkins                         £30.6 million            £35-40 mill. If another good season will be over 50

 

 

Am I way off with any of those? What about other squad members? What do you guys think?

 

22 minutes ago, Lord Willard said:

Jack was clearly upset that he didn't get to play any minutes. Gareth hugged him but Jack was doing his best to avoid eye contact and disinterested. We've seen this first hand at Villa that he sulks if he isn't playing.  

I would imagine Gareth was telling him he will play a role in the next game or two. 

When we were 3/4 up you could see he was bringing more fringe players on that won't be relied as much on the next game or two. DCL/Rashford etc. 

I do share peoples feelings that it's frustrating that he didn't start after saving the day against Germany but we won and we didn't need him. 

Jack doesn't have 90 minutes in the tank so I can't imagine he'll start any of the games. 

 

Exactly that. Bringing on Jack last night would have been absolutely ridiculous. His game is getting on the ball and drawing fouls he would have been kicked to pieces by a frustrated and angry team of Ukrainians.

 Correct decision to have him stay on the bench

The thought of us offering £40 million for TA makes me cry to be honest. Great lad and attitude but he’s a decent player at this level nothing more and needs too many chances to score. He doesn’t have the sheer work rate of Ollie.

if there was an opportunity at around £20-25m I wouldn’t be averse to it as I said he is decent and a good egg but he just isn’t an elite striker worth the money being talked about

As funny and brilliant as this signing would be, I just can’t see this as anything other than agent upping his clients contract. 
he is playing regularly at his boyhood team who at the moment are a bigger club than us and he can continue living at home close to family in the city he grew up in. Just makes no sense unless Arsenal have indicated he will not be first team, but can’t see why they would

5 minutes ago, tinker said:

He can't drop Jack after that performance,  or Saka. Mount has done less in 180 minutes than Jack did in 60. We tend to.forget that Jack's coming back from a 3 month lay off. If we are afforded more freedom, against either Germany or France, Jack will have more space and hopefully  some.of the bigger ego driven players will start to.pass the ball quicker and take a few chances. 

He will drop him. Played well first half but was anonymous in second. If mount is available he will be straight back in

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Aston Villa are interested in bringing Ashley Young back to the club.

The 35-year-old will be allowed to leave Inter Milan this summer and Villa have already asked about whether he would consider returning.

https://theathletic.com/news/ashley-young-aston-villa-transfer/GLsPEH4XZjSd
 

athletic saying we enquiring about Ashley Young as versatile full back option.

still a good player playing at a high level. 35 though 

With where we are and where we want to be, JR needed to come in and be spectacular. In reality he was average and if we improve again will struggle to make an impact next year.

send him out on loan and let him develop and then if he progresses give him another look. Let’s not keep him around like Davis only giving him 5 minutes here or there, that will absolutely hinder his progression

Delighted for Jack, excited for England’s chances, **** terrified Jack will be his usual self at the Euros and he will be off this summer

I’m not surprised, but I am surprised only two strikers. Seems a risk. Personally if you are taking Kane and DCL I’d want a poacher like Ings in there

1 hour ago, BleedClaretAndBlue said:

 

Can't figure out if Keane is a fan or just taking the piss

8 hours ago, OutByEaster? said:

He's amazing. He's ended up with a seventeen page thread on our accounts that are based almost entirely around how upset he is that we were never punished by the Football League for breaches of FFP in the Championship. That's incredible dedication. Judging by the last couple of pages it sounds like he's a qualified accountant, but judging on his dedication to his task, I wouldn't be surprised if he became a qualified accountant purely in the hope of catching us out.

It's unhealthy, it's insane and it's pointless, but I can't help but have a sneaking admiration for how fantastically driven he is over something that should mean nothing to him.

 

Tbf if I was a fan of any other championship club, I'd be livid with us. We totally flouted the rules for years under Xia and should have been punished. Our saving grace was Purslow, his knowledge of the rules enabled him to expertly circumvent them (helped enormously by getting promoted). The other clubs who did a ground sale have all fallen into hit water for the way it was done.

No idea how we did it (or whether just lucky no longer in EFL) but hopefully it's a bullet dodged

If he was struggling with addiction, 100% he'd have been targeted for a test by now, it's literally the way they work. It's nonsense.

He just has a very serious chronic condition, the club are trying to manage it but struggling. Nothing more than desperation for him to be fit from both club and player

Looks like he may have a potentially serious injury. The way he pulled up with his knee, tried to play on then ended up in tears. Just screams medial / cruciate ligament damage. Hope it's not too serious

9 hours ago, will87 said:

Anyone think these injuries are related to either a.) him having freakishly large lower legs or b.) his tiny shin pads or a combination of both?

Shin splints aren't an impact injury, they are an overuse repetitive stress injury. They often coincide with a large uplift in training schedules to a higher intensity. Which is exactly what Jack did a few years back, he went away and trained like a MF and came back ripped like a beast.

At some point they will need to have an extended period of rest as they won't just go away with careful management. They are also a bastard for recurrences.

Have we all heard FFP is set to be scrapped by UEFA? Could be incredibly good news for us

Not qualifying for Europe this year will be a blessing in disguise.

We are heading in the right way but need another year or two to add quality in depth. I also truly believe if we drop out of the European race this year it's a perfect opportunity to give the likes of Kesler, JPB, Chuk, Ramsey a real opportunity to be blooded in first team football which could be huge in a years time

Even when we put aside the joke that we loaned Freddie out with only Elmo as back up.

If a youngster says to be as highly rated as Kane Kessler doesn't get a look in ahead of him then what message does that send to the other prospects?

Same with JPB and Trezeguet. If they aren't willing to try them ahead of these players who will likely be upgraded in summer when will they ever play

I actually thought in the ten minutes before he was subbed he was growing into the game was taking the ball more than anyone and giving and going and plenty of one touch link play. Think it was wrong decision to sub him