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They will have started selling them to Arsenal fans a week ago. I may be wrong, but I believe it's four weeks prior to a game that you have to have taken the full allocation.

They had a Lance Rocket with them, a French made RPG.

You could put any number of pictures up of Mohammed depicted in Islamic works of art from across the centuries and they wouldn't be racist, but interesting in respect of their value as art history. Would they offend the average Sunni Muslim? Probably if they were aware of what they were looking at. Much about religion is contradictory though, in the desire of a few men to stem the tide of icon worship by banning images, least in the main amongst Sunni's, they've gone and created what they sought to avoid, albeit a faceless icon.

Some reports that the Charlie Hebdo killers came out shooting, so there was little chance of taking them alive. Whether they're martyrs or not, that's three less to worry about. The Charlie Hebdo killers were clearly trained so their military value is lost.

The bullet groupings on the police car windscreen with an AK-47 suggested that somebody had taught these blokes how to shoot, so I doubt it was possible for GIGN to have been able to risk taking them alive. Edit: just seen that thehostage taker has been shwacked.

Charlie Hebdo killers have been killed.

Explosions heard near the supermarket. Sounds like that is being stormed.

Seems that GIGN have assaulted the Printworks.

So you know for a fact that the Paris shooters are funded by a dead man annoyed by a dead empire? That must be Magic. By the way, I have not posted anything about radicalizes Islam. I just posted a quote by someone with a different view on racism than some people on here. I disagree with the fact that Islamophobia is not racism. And it is very much connected to the shooting, as the motive by the shooters is very much connected to the cartoons. Some consider them blasphemic, other consider them racist/Islamophobic. I don’t want to repeat myself for a third time and will assume you’re being disingenuous instead. If the killers are taken alive, we may learn more about their motives at a subsequent trial, but I think given how specific their targeting was in general, that their issue was with the magazine having previously printed cartoons of Mohammed and being generally laissez fare in their criticisms of Islam or terrorists carrying out atrocities in Africa etc, their issue is clear. I don’t think the magazine’s mockery of Islam is race related. They're mocking the religion specifically first and therefore an idea, which may offend the adherents, who may be of any particular race. I think race can come into it, but only in narrow circumstances such as CED suggested, which to take further by giving an example, would be BNP types who simply don’t like the colour of a persons’ skin and lump in their feelings about Muslims, when they may well be taking exception to a Hindu as far as their ignorant minds are concerned. I think that sort of thing is pretty easy to spot. Look who's rude now. But for the third time asking, you actually responded something about the events and not about a dead figure in a country far far away. The discussion has ranged over a number of points, as threads always will. I am not sure what your issue with that is, but there we are. My issue is that I don't want to be drawn into a discussion about individualistic religious experience that stigmatize a whole lot of people. You can have that with someone else. Who was stigmatizing who? Are you capable of making a post without a thinly veiled insult? You’ve gone from insinuating posters on here are racist and now you’re suggesting that by mentioning Wahhabism people are being demonised. Perhaps it should be left there. CED, good to hear its a false alarm.

So you know for a fact that the Paris shooters are funded by a dead man annoyed by a dead empire? That must be Magic. By the way, I have not posted anything about radicalizes Islam. I just posted a quote by someone with a different view on racism than some people on here. I disagree with the fact that Islamophobia is not racism. And it is very much connected to the shooting, as the motive by the shooters is very much connected to the cartoons. Some consider them blasphemic, other consider them racist/Islamophobic. I don’t want to repeat myself for a third time and will assume you’re being disingenuous instead. If the killers are taken alive, we may learn more about their motives at a subsequent trial, but I think given how specific their targeting was in general, that their issue was with the magazine having previously printed cartoons of Mohammed and being generally laissez fare in their criticisms of Islam or terrorists carrying out atrocities in Africa etc, their issue is clear. I don’t think the magazine’s mockery of Islam is race related. They're mocking the religion specifically first and therefore an idea, which may offend the adherents, who may be of any particular race. I think race can come into it, but only in narrow circumstances such as CED suggested, which to take further by giving an example, would be BNP types who simply don’t like the colour of a persons’ skin and lump in their feelings about Muslims, when they may well be taking exception to a Hindu as far as their ignorant minds are concerned. I think that sort of thing is pretty easy to spot. Look who's rude now. But for the third time asking, you actually responded something about the events and not about a dead figure in a country far far away. The discussion has ranged over a number of points, as threads always will. I am not sure what your issue with that is, but there we are.

It seems that the Trocadero station has definitely been evacuated, but its not clear whether anything has happened or if its just rumours of a shooting.

Now reports of a shooting at the Trocadero Metro Station.

The innder ringroad has been closed so you cannot get in or out of the centre of Paris. 2 runways at CDG now closed too. Seems that the male suspect in the Kosher shop hostage situation is potentially the same man who shot dead a female police officer.

So you know for a fact that the Paris shooters are funded by a dead man annoyed by a dead empire? That must be Magic. By the way, I have not posted anything about radicalizes Islam. I just posted a quote by someone with a different view on racism than some people on here. I disagree with the fact that Islamophobia is not racism. And it is very much connected to the shooting, as the motive by the shooters is very much connected to the cartoons. Some consider them blasphemic, other consider them racist/Islamophobic. I don’t want to repeat myself for a third time and will assume you’re being disingenuous instead. If the killers are taken alive, we may learn more about their motives at a subsequent trial, but I think given how specific their targeting was in general, that their issue was with the magazine having previously printed cartoons of Mohammed and being generally laissez fare in their criticisms of Islam or terrorists carrying out atrocities in Africa etc, their issue is clear. I don’t think the magazine’s mockery of Islam is race related. They're mocking the religion specifically first and therefore an idea, which may offend the adherents, who may be of any particular race. I think race can come into it, but only in narrow circumstances such as CED suggested, which to take further by giving an example, would be BNP types who simply don’t like the colour of a persons’ skin and lump in their feelings about Muslims, when they may well be taking exception to a Hindu as far as their ignorant minds are concerned. I think that sort of thing is pretty easy to spot.

Its a man and a women involved in the Kosher shop hostage taking. I say women, but she looks very young. Some reports that two have been killed prior to that hostage taking, but reports are scratchy at best.

I bring Wahhabism into it because you quoted somebody talking about radicalised Islam and he gave his specific cause for it. I disagreed with the quote in general and made a specific point where I explain what I see has the root of one type of radical Islam. I think there is always room for talking about the Magic Kingdom when it comes to Islamic based terrorism. I am reacting to material you posted, so why you’re attempting to suggest I have wandered of topic is beyond me. It seems a contradiction to me, that you are criticising me for going off topic somehow, yet you’re defence seems to be an endless stream of non sequitur. Like the whole raicsm/Islam debate you're attempting to have. It seems an unecessary matter to bring up in a discussion absent from any of the boorish comments alluded to by CED. By all means start a topic on white supremacists in the US or Hitler - but maybe you should heed your own advice?

I did not edit it out, but knew some would react to that wording, instead of the overall message of the quote. That tells me more about you than anything else. You like making thinly veiled insults don't you? I thought the whole quote to be a jumbled mesh of half baked ideas to be honest, but that bit in particular struck me as odd. I consider the House Saud and its desire to be seen as the defender of the faith in its war with the Twelvers as being the ground zero in the production line of Salafists and Takfiri head choppers. This being based on the three tenants of its Wahhabist creed (one King, one faith, one mosque etc, etc) and the geological fortune of being sat on billions in hydrocarbons to make these radical ideas an exportable reality. Given the Ottomans and their decadent ways were the main focus of al-Wahhab's anger and the development of Wahhabism, I found it odd that "white supremacist settler states" found its way into that rambling quote. It would be nice if you could debate the issue with posters for once, rather than making unnecessary remarks.

There appears to have been a shooting in Paris too around a corner shop. Edit: Appears a hostage has been taken in port de Vincennes in Paris.

White supremacist settler states? al-Wahhab will have used a few choice words to describe the Ottomans,but I doubt he would have used "white supremacist settler states" amongst all the cursing and swearing.

Cambiasso has been ruled out for them. He was the only Leicester player that looked remotely Premiership quality when we played them the other week. Hopefully we can show a little risk in our attacking play for once. Villa win.

And? Someone posted something that did it again, so I commented on it I think you misunderstood me. I was saying it had been mentioned recently in the sense that its one of those whack-a-mole points, that no matter how many times its hit on the head, it pops back up before too long.

They're surrounded in a printing warehouse apparently. In about ten years time you're going to have blokes standing at the bar in barracks town bars and pubs telling anybody who will listen that they were the first one onto the balcony at the printing warehouse.

Bicks, we've had the whole racism/Islam malarkay only a few pages back.

2 dead and 20 wounded apparently. Its not clear whether the dead are police or civilian hostages.

What if you consider religion to be harmful? I am sure plenty of Christians love Jesus etc, but why should poking fun at the fanciful notion of him performing miracles and so on be free from mockery? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYfXSohvvuI