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  1. So it's not rising at all then As compared to the other major parties then the membership of the Labour party is significantly healthier than the others. Now (before the idiocy of deflection and ahhh but comes from .....) if you then take that into context the membership certainly is not showing a unhapiness with the leadership. Agreed?
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  3. Another depressing villa afternoon - lambert out
  4. I don't whack off to it though! Have to admit i have over midget porn lool That's not big .........
  5. Someone just told me that they had heard from a friend who heard from another friend that Cadbury's are bringing out a new bar for the Asian market. Then again it could be a Chinese whispa
  6. ??? The records often mentioned are all linked to the things that you say matter to you. To try and dismiss them as "trivial" is baffling because it's as a result of those that the wins, goals etc are all collated On a more general point the thread is showing though that there is another run of the "emperors new clothes" pantomime starring messers LLLLLLLLambert and others - crowds are down though this year .....
  7. are you lion or telling the truth ?
  8. presumably yourself and Ajax wont be using the "Ahhh but " and "deflection " argument in the other thread any longer .... rumours of another pact today between the wannabe leaders .. of course the last pact between would be Labour leaders worked well Don't play that one Tony because we all know that if you were asked what is 2+2 your answer would be "Ah, but Labour...", it's like your trademark. I believe my trademark would involve the French , people in suits , cyclists and teachers way before that one however the point you are missing is that you and Mr D constantly referred to the "Ahh but" and "deflection" in your posts in the Tory thread and yet you've both been guilty of it in the spaces of a few posts ... I'll have to get my Hypocrisy card out for you both soon tony nice try but where you fail was that we were talking about a general subject, ie personality politics that affects all of the leaders as we said. No deflect or anything but 6 out of 10 for trying mate but rather like a villa forward missed your goal :-)
  9. I have trademarked all if Tony's traits - next week on dragons den I will present it as the Surrey I haven't got a clue ..... :-)
  10. Had to snigger at Osborne (and who the hell advised him on the change of appearance ?) trying to claim some sort of victory re the payments to the eu . Pretty contradictory to what he and Cameron have been bleating recently . It's as though they have been saying words for the blue rinse brigade of their party :-)
  11. I don't think it is what he believes though ... he says things his advisor's have told him are populist ..i.e this week an advisor says I heard people down the pub moaning about utility companies so what you need to do is say something that they like , doesn't matter how bonkers it is you'll never implement it but it will boost your popularity in the polls ... and so Ed comes out and says "i'll freeze energy prices " If Ed believed what he was saying , why would he attack tax dodging companies and then sign up with Amazon as a partner for collecting labour donations ... answer is clear ..he says it for the sound-bite but in reality he knows he hasn't got a prayer of getting Amazon to pay full whack Tony - come on here, you make that as if it is just Millband and the Labour party . Is he? I certainly didn't get that from his posts - I think he's just giving his opinion on Miliband and Labour which is what this thread is about after all.oh dear mantis and tony a quick look shows that you have never said anything like that re Cameron - can to show where you have or at least agree that ALL politicians are knee jerk? Your post certainly does read as being one sided view And mantis any chance of sharing your views to what has a chance of being a reasonable chat?
  12. Nobody singing the praises of Yodel then ..........
  13. I don't think it is what he believes though ... he says things his advisor's have told him are populist ..i.e this week an advisor says I heard people down the pub moaning about utility companies so what you need to do is say something that they like , doesn't matter how bonkers it is you'll never implement it but it will boost your popularity in the polls ... and so Ed comes out and says "i'll freeze energy prices " If Ed believed what he was saying , why would he attack tax dodging companies and then sign up with Amazon as a partner for collecting labour donations ... answer is clear ..he says it for the sound-bite but in reality he knows he hasn't got a prayer of getting Amazon to pay full whack Tony - come on here, you make that as if it is just Millband and the Labour party . Let's be honest here this Gvmt has been totally knee jerk in so many of it;s policies - so much so it could be sponsored by a little hammer Your outrage is totally lost by it's hypocrisy
  14. Tony - I thought we had all agreed that map that you bring up every now and again is so flawed if you are trying to prove a popularity thing - if all constituencies were equal size then it would be but we all know that is not the case
  15. edit: will come back to that - a few typo's :-)
  16. I wholeheartedly agree politics and elections should be fought with the emphasis on policy rather than personality, but that isn't reality. Ed is a poor leader and therefore the policy issues become irrelevant. If you don't respect the person you won't respect the policy. Ed comes across as an enthusiastic junior manager deputising for the day. Blair and Brown were undoubtabley the boss. Eames - see I don't think he is a poor leader - he is not a great one but certainly not a poor one. As said someone who resorts to Flashman type attitudes is a poor leader ....... and we all know who fits that criteria :-)
  17. No sure of that Chris. I can see the Labour party going for more a new guy not really taineted with previous Gvmt, someone like Chuka Umunna There was an interesting article on him in the very right wing Torygraph the other day http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/11210065/Chuka-Umunna-is-the-only-mainstream-politician-with-the-guts-to-take-on-Ukip.-Good-for-him.html
  18. Eames - there is a fundamental difference between Milliband and Blair especially in terms of his eminence for want of a better word. Yes Cameron certainly should be being ripped apart and there are enough within his own political sphere that are doing that. As you say Farrage seems to have the better of hi, his own party members certainly seem to be cool towards him at very best and his "allies" within the media and fund raisers (tax avoiders!) certainly seem to lack any real support. But that comes back to are we talking about personalities here or are we talking about policies. For whatever reason Milliband does not strike a chord with certain members of the public, and when I see people saying they would not vote Labour because of him and his personality my heart sinks a little because it shows how shallow some people really are and what depths politics has sunk. There is an often used phrase, and Tony hates it - probably because it's true :-) - of pop idol politics. The whole idea behind the phrase is that people are voted for not on their abilities but on how they look and how their "sponsors" portray them. Milliband is not a shiny suit political figure like Cameron for instance, but then again we don't see him resort to the bully boy Flashman when challenged like Cameron. But at the end of the day that should care not one jot, and it should be down to what they and their party stand for and what they can and would deliver. As I have said before, out of the 3 main political parties (and I don't class UKIP as a main political party - they are just a bunch of right wing nut jobs with borderline racist views) there is not a true "leader" amongst them, and sadly there is not anyone standing in the wings ready to take over either for any of them. Marketing seems to be the key to success for some political figures, ironic given Cameron's background and his abject failure but that is another topic, and the more we go towards the US political model the worse things will go for the country as a whole IMO
  19. Hugely OT but I quite like HMtheQ. Something endearing about the old dear really - that said, I don't feel that for Charlie boy at all so who knows - that will probably be the opportunity but would you really want that? I can't see that Republicanism will ever take hold to a level where a President becomes a reality it would be too great a constitutional change and we don't really do political earthquakes here in Britain. the point is as we are seeing here people are thinking more of elected leaders of the country when we dont have one in the uk
  20. presumably yourself and Ajax wont be using the "Ahhh but " and "deflection " argument in the other thread any longer .... rumours of another pact today between the wannabe leaders .. of course the last pact between would be Labour leaders worked well tony your post makes no sense whatsoever sir. If you honestly dont believe there is an element of focus by opponents of labour on milliband as a deflection when people like cameron are struggling then that is your perogative, but i think its wrong.
  21. Should we have a presidency and vote for that?
  22. As we see on this thread with the vt Tory / ukip supporters making so many comments, there seems to be a push from that side of the uk political spectrum to try and personalise the whole leadership thing rather than question the policies of the respective parties. We all know that Cameron has failed on so many levels, from his inability to win an election despite the many millions of tax avoidance donations through to his failure to get even the basics right. As tony rightly says ish the uk has not had radical change for a while the biggest - and worst - was the selfish greed driven society of thatcher. Regarding milliband he has strong principles but is he a great leader ? Probably not, but compared to cuckold clegg and Cameron then the traits what political should be judged against he wins hands down The next couple of months are key for all parties especially Cameron with ukip stealing his mps and the debacle over the eu , you just have to wonder of how much scrutiny of milliband is a deflection from the real issues surrounding a weak ineffectual pm
  23. broke more bad records than a no armed album juggler
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